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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:18 am 
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As WaterTribers emotions subside, very reasoned responses are being posted on the WT forum. Here is one by CWolfe, who was unable to participate this year. His comments (1) come from the heart of one who has participated numerous times, and (2) point out reasoned ways forward.
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Accepting Responsibility..........

So it is safe to say that this years EC was a disappointment to all. Anyone who has participated in one or has been the friends or family of a participant knows all too well the all consuming dedication, preparation both physical and mental, time and financial commitment. We put our heart and soul into the event and we are paid back exponentially in our experiences and the relationships that develop from our parallel solo challenges. I think it is safe to say that the time in and around the first weekend in March is something that makes us step a little taller, work a little harder and have more passion in our lives the other 51 weeks of the year. This was a big deal.

The race or challenge is different things to different people. For some it is an adventure trip at a challenging but not competitive pace, for some it is a bucket-list event, for some it is driven by a very competitive drive to push themselves through physical and mental barriers to test themselves while simultaneously wanting to be best in class. It is not a race for all, but it is definitely a race for some.

So first and foremost we need to acknowledge that people have a right to be disappointed and angry. Not that those emotions are helpful but they are real. I think that things could have gone better on many different levels. Blaming the Coast Guard for being the Coast Guard is one of the least productive pathways on our road to recovery. Accepting that a better job could have been done on all levels from having the required permits and notification to local authorities, to some participants being better prepared. Or for me, just to have made it down there despite not being able to race this year. The EC is important to me, I should have been there. I could have helped.

The bruises of cast stones rarely lead to change. Acknowledgement of our mistakes is the only true way that we minimize the chances of repeating them.

Respectfully,

Cwolfe

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:23 am 
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Even more unfortunate is a rumor that has started which paints many of the Hobie Islands as the ones that required rescue.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:13 am 
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Tom, where is that coming from? I haven't seen it on the WT forum. In fact, there is a thread entitled, "Any multihulls have difficulty in Tampa Bay?" http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/any-multihulls-have-difficulty-in-tampa-bay Only 1 person there said, when he quit the event, he had considerable water in his hull:
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I was on a Hobie TI. I made the mistake of starting out in the front seat. Kept burying the nose under water. Was always in control but sure slowed the boat. After rounding Anna Maria I hove to, moved to the back seat and took off. Hit 11.8 top end until Stump Pass and then hit 17 knots surfing in the breakers. I was in about 17:20. Dropped out due to the cancelation. When I took the boat apart at number 1 I had about 8-10 gallons inside from burying the nose. Lesson learned!

I've heard nothing else on the forum. I do have one personal email about an aka failure, but it only slowed the person temporarily--I'll post that. One friend in a Ti broke a gudgeon bolt and got towed to a marina where it was fixed--no emergency. A couple other TI friends had no problem.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:56 am 
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It was posted on the facebook page of a competing boat company. I don't want to paint it as being intentional - I don't think it is, but I don't like seeing the Islands painted in a bad light as if the conditions were too much for them or their pilots.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:46 am 
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Tom Kirkman wrote:
Even more unfortunate is a rumor that has started which paints many of the Hobie Islands as the ones that required rescue.


Of course we know better. Hobie Cat has long had to deal with other companies trying to bite us. Pretty weak.

What a bunch of Cr-p. There were Island assisting in rescues and collecting others lost equipment... more that are continuing on the course. They are the most capable boats in the event it is very fair to say. Although... they do work so well that some of the entrants may not have been as qualified as they should be.

I've looked around and find no posts in the forums I could find. PM me what Facebook page?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:57 am 
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I sent you an email.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:06 am 
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Tom Kirkman wrote:
It was posted on the facebook page of a competing boat company. I don't want to paint it as being intentional - I don't think it is, but I don't like seeing the Islands painted in a bad light as if the conditions were too much for them or their pilots.

If someone posts something without basis, it is clearly intentional.

Tom, it would be nice for the rest of us, if you would post the Facebook page so we can look at it and judge for ourselves. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:12 am 
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I was unable to find the comment, so assume it has been pulled down.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:18 am 
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I know how public forms and facebook pages can get, with people going off half cocked at anysemblance of a perceived slight, so I'd prefer not to have a bunch of people jumping on someone that may just be repeating something they heard or were told. I posted a matter of fact response and have sent Matt the information.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:54 am 
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Tom Kirkman wrote:
I know how public forms and facebook pages can get, with people going off half cocked at anysemblance of a perceived slight, so I'd prefer not to have a bunch of people jumping on someone that may just be repeating something they heard or were told. I posted a matter of fact response and have sent Matt the information.

Sorry, Tom, I'm disappointed. If you are going to say these things, YOU have to support them. My observation is that people on this forum are very reasonable. People on the WT forum have been very emotional and at times critical of counter-views. Given the situation, that is not too surprising. On this forum, we have generally had very straight-forward discussions.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:54 am 
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I'd have to disagree with that to some extent anyway. I've seen other manufacturers' boats denigrated here as well, also unfairly. I have stood up for a couple at various times, just as I stood up for the Island yesterday when I saw what I saw.

If you choose to believe I have made this up, do so.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:50 pm 
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Tom Kirkman wrote:
I'd have to disagree with that to some extent anyway. I've seen other manufacturers' boats denigrated here as well, also unfairly. I have stood up for a couple at various times, just as I stood up for the Island yesterday when I saw what I saw.

If you choose to believe I have made this up, do so.

I certainly did not say you made it up. I simply asked you to provide the link for the rest of us to look at, so we could decide for our selves. Apparently it was in the public domain, so you would not be giving anything away. Matt says he could not find it at the link you gave him, so they must have taken it down. It has become a moot question, and we can let it go.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:01 pm 
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I did not provide Matt with a link. I'm not sure where he was attempting to find it. I did, however, send him the website and screen shots of the item, which is still online there. Hobie can deal with it if they feel inclined to do so.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:52 pm 
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I read right past the comment that Tom sent me. Yeah.. that is BS what they said. "Several rescues shortly after, mostly Hobie adventures islands and one O'Day day sailor".

I'll respond on their Facebook page:

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Matt Miller A retraction is in order here. The news reports showed a lot of Hobie Islands at the checkpoint... because the largest class of boats in the event... were Islands. Not because they had to be rescued. Come on guys. Not cool at all, misleading if not slander. We are unaware of a single Adventure Island or Tandem Island that was "rescued".

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:58 pm 
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THAT got their attention...

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Weta Trimarans of Florida: Initial reports turned out to be incorrect. One adventure island owner did beach his boat as he feared eminent break up.


I suggested... and instructed them on how to edit the original post.

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