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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:19 pm 
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Not that I would ever say I can do it better than Tony :roll: however here is an
alternative method for the wind indictor - viewtopic.php?f=71&t=40451&p=163182#p163182

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:36 pm 
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Fortunately the air is much cleaner where I live...


On a bike trip on the New England I rode all day in the rain. It was cattle moving season and the spray of "liquid manure" from the cattle trucks set's like concrete. I couldn't take my wet weather gear or panniers into the motel room!

I was thinking that when traveling long term with a caravan (this is a future dream) with a TI living permanently on the car roof. Would a cover be needed for UV protection / fade prevention?

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:05 pm 
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cooldudecaptain wrote:
Try towing your TI for six hours in the rain on the oily Interstate (w/semi's, etc.) without a cover and see what it looks like when you arrive. I had a shoemaker cut and stitch a slot at the rear of the cover (make yourself a pattern). Now I can tow the TI without removing the rudder - it sticks up through the cover. Using the 6 attachment points and straps on the cover it tows very well.

While stored on the my trailer, on the beach, I cover it each night and it keeps nosey pinheads from investigating. I also used hog rings and permanently attached one end of each bungee on one side of the cover. When the cover's removed the bungees stay attached and don't have to be collected, stored, etc.

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Bill, I annually tow my 2 AIs over 1000 mi/yr over Florida expressways & 2-lane highways w/o ever noticing any dirt, oil, or grit on them. I just have not found it to be a problem. Again, I see no reason to use a cover--extra expense and great overkill in my mind. If your special use requires a cover, fine; I just have never had a need. Also, I have never removed the rudder when I've trailered our boats. On my one boat with a vertical rudder, I simply bungee the rudder to the sail/mast (in it's bag strapped to the top of the boat).

If you were storing your boat on your car roof or on the trailer outdoors, then it would be appropriate to have some sort of sun protection. One thing you have to be careful of here in FL is the heat. A cover on a boat in the sun aggravates (adds to) the heat and possible serious distortion of your boat.

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I differ from Keith, in that unlike single hull kayaks, we are highly unlikely to invert our Islands , and I rate the probability of being knocked unconscious as extremely low, so I favour manually inflatable PFDs. At least here, the authorities have been really pushing these to boaties, so they are available for as low as $60, making them cheaper than other types. They also stow easily in the hull (in drybags is best).

Tony, in this country, the authorities also push inflatables. Why? Not because they are better, but because people wear them, whereas they tend not to wear standard PFD. I certainly agree that it is unlikely that you will be knocked off your AI/TI, but, since I often sail alone, any accident can be serious. I've even been known to stand up in my boat to pee--dumb, but I've done it. I think there is some statistic that most sailors who get separated from their boats, and are found, have their pants zipper down...hummm. So, accidents happen, and a standard PFD is safer--as long as you wear it.

I'm not the most safety-conscious person, but, where I am, I try to shift the odds in my favor.

Huh, Tony, you say you are storing your inflatable PFD in a dry bag?? Not wearing it?? Oh, well, you are probably just inherently a safer guy than I am.

Keith

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:17 pm 
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I never sail without a PFD (I have a Trek conventional one as well which is usually my inland waters preference. PFDs only live in drybags if extras for unexpected guests :)

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:27 pm 
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See Grandpa I told you there is controversy when discussing inflatable vs conventional PFDs. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:53 pm 
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We had a young friend , recent college graduate, great engineering job lined up, engaged. He fell off a skiff that was not moving , good swimmer hit his head on gunnell trying to grab the boat on his way out. Knocked him out ...found his body on bottom of Tampa bay 10 hours later. ME indicated he was only knocked unconcesus. Cause of death was no air while unconcesus. You better think twice about not getting knocked or bumped or injured that one moment something you were not expecting to occur happens. The manual inflation vests are worthless in my opinion and should be gone. Auto inflate probably ok but I will keep my foam type. Maybe Darwin was right but that kid dying was a tragedy.


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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:20 pm 
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I think that story settles the dispute.

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:21 am 
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There are always dramatic examples to support any position.

And for every sad situation like that, there is probably a thousand cases of people drowning not wearing a PFD. The real point is that ANY type of PFD should be worn at all times. I am quite happy to bet that the odds of falling out of my TI, AND getting knocked unconscious while doing so are small enough to not be a concern.

I also believe that all PFDs should include leg loops to prevent the PFD slipping up while in the water.

Oh, and I should add in relation to Keith's comment about death statistics, I find that with my raised skipper seat, I can pee sitting down, taking advantage of an additional feature of the Miragedrive well, so standing up is not an issue. :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:53 am 
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TI_Tom wrote:
See Grandpa I told you there is controversy when discussing inflatable vs conventional PFDs. ;)


Haha. Yep.

So, here's what I'm thinking, my listed items, cover if I desire for long trips, or not. Wind indicator would be helpful. Just wear some sort of pfd, especially if sailing alone. Music if awesome. Did I miss anything?

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:04 am 
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first aid kit, those gloves with fingers cutout


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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:58 am 
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Ah yes the sailing gloves. Just 10 minutes into the hour that we spent demoing the boat last summer and I was begging the dealership rep for a pair. Granted I wasn't cleating the main sheet, but still why punish your hands.

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
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I have one of these waterproof bluetooth speakers and like it a lot.
https://ecoxgear.com/

A waterproof cover for your smartphone.
Along with an anchor, a shore line so the boat can be secured away from a rocky beach.
I sometimes carry a Sportbrella to get out of the sun if I stop for lunch somewhere.
http://www.sport-brella.com/
Considering spineboard hakas ?
Ultravue 16 or 18 seem to be appropriate flat boards available with pins.
https://ironduck.com

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:12 am 
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Chris,
I am also waiting on my TI to arrive. I started creating a list of things I thought I might need and here are some of the things I have come up with.
First Aid Kit
Flares
Whistle
I bought a YakAttack light pole with a flag just for safety. it fits in one of the rod holders or RAM mount.
I plan on buying the mirage drive leashes. I don't want to lose one by accident. From what I have seen, they are expensive.
I am also looking at some nice straps to tie it down to the trailer. Something that won't scratch the kayak.
I have a cover on my list and I can see the point of possible damage from trailering it. I plan to buy one just for storage and to keep tree sap and dirt off it.
I plan on buying a pair of gloves. I think they will come in handy when sailing.
I also plan on putting together a small tool kit. Maybe a multi-tool or just some other tools I have in a dry bag.

I can already see that this is going to be a fun hobby! Too many toys and fun stuff to purchase! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
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riverron wrote:
I can already see that this is going to be a fun hobby! Too many toys and fun stuff to purchase! :lol:


For some reason I didn't think this was going to be as bad as my cycling or golf habit, but it turns out it's almost worse! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: What next?
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This is the Bluetooth that I'm looking at: http://www.scosche.com/boombottleh2o.
I also just picked up a knife: http://www.amazon.com/NRS-Co-Pilot-Knife-Black/dp/B00AEZ1EN8/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427900370&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=nrs+co-pilot+river+knife. The important feature is the bottle opener. :D

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