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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:22 am 
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Jeeze Keith thanks for rubbing it in that I totally forgot to go up there Friday and talk to all the guys, first time since 2010 that I missed it.
By the time I realized it was going on (saturday morning), I tried to go out and gopro video some of the boats going past Sarasota (hoping to see some AI/TI's with the new Hobie spinnaker in action (perfect year for it ,,, all downwind). I walked out to the garage to get the boat ready, but hadn't used the boat in a couple months, and it was all in pieces. I worked like a madman putting everything back together but didn't get on the water till after 2:00. I launched at city Island and went out newpass then raced down the coastline (offshore) balls to the wall trying to catch the group. By then the wind had picked up quite a bit and I was bouncing thru 3ft chop (really uncomfortable for me). I got almost halfway down Casey key and still didn't see any sails so I turned around and went back home, feeling pretty dumb and totally wasting both my time and about a dollar in gas.
However I did get a chance to really test my AKA extensions (the boat is now 12 ft wide) at balls to the wall speeds in really rough offshore seas, and they worked even better than I ever imagined (I made them a while back but never installed them (yes they are removable)). I was able to keep both my full sails out in 15 mph winds rolling thru 3-4ft breakers without burying my AMA's, I felt much more stable. The AMA's fold in just like normal, and the extra width doesn't effect steering at all, plus I now have a big open area thats screaming for HAKAS outside of my now too narrow tramps (lol).
Bottom line I beat the heck out of myself and have nothing to show for it (no video), boy do I feel stupid for forgetting about the EC. Boy was I tired by the time I got back, it amazes me these guys do this for 300 mile...now I remember why I usually only go out normally in 5mph winds or lower normally.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:43 am 
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OK, OK, Fusioneng, where are the pictures of the extended akas. Remember, no pics, didn't happen.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:21 pm 
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IslandMutant came in this morning to checkpoint 2 in 6th place overall (out of 100 +)!
Way ahead of the closest AI/TI and within striking range (or ahead) of most of the fastest boats!
Pretty well validates his mods I think.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:31 pm 
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Hey Keith,

On the fore sails such as reachers and spins:

I did see and talk to one AI skipper on the launch beach that had the new Hobie Spin kit laying uninstalled on his tramp. He said he had yet to use it, in fact, had never installed it! Later I walked by his boat and it had been installed but something did not quite look right to me so I'm thinking that may be a disaster in waiting!

Then of course IslandMutant had his rigged with a roto furler (not the new Hobie rig).
So there were at least 3 I think.

By the way, Jim, did your Hobie Spin kit come in yet?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:33 pm 
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Hey Bob,

I second Keith's request for photos!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:41 pm 
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Update:

MutantIsland is headed out of Chokoloskee (CP2); PenquinMan (Jim Czarnowski) is behind about 55 mi NW along the coast (off North Naples.) They are in the Hobie Island Modified class. MI has a jib and PM has a spinnaker. These are the only ones listed in the modified Hobie Island class.

Standard Tandems (16) are led by CaptGnarly (just north of North Naples) with Mr. Mako about 5 mi behind. Others are strung back along a 50 mi line northwest along the coast.

Standard AIs (3) are led by Yakmandu near Sanibel with a couple more about 5-10 mi behind.

The leading Tandem is about 15-20 mi ahead of the leading AI very roughly 200 mi into the race. Race times and positions are a function of both the boat and the captain (how good a sailor is the captain and how much sleep does he/she need.)

SewSew in his custom fiber glass trimaran is only about 60 mi from the finish in Key Largo (300 mi). Every year, everyone wants to know what Randy Smythe (SewSew) is drinking/eating. He goes non-stop start to finish, about 300 mi.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:50 pm 
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Update at 10:09 PM, Sunday evening.

MutantIsland is nearing NW Cape (19 mi from FLM, CP3); PenquinMan is about 100 mi behind at Goodland (having a good steak dinner?) He is still about 24 mi from Chokoloskee (CP2) They are in the Hobie Island Modified class. MI has a jib and PM has a spinnaker.

Standard Tandems (16) are led by Mr. Mako & Triman at the north end of Marco Island about 30 mi from Chokoloskee (CP2.) Several boats are about 8-9 mi behind the leaders. Everybody in this group seems to be stopped at this time.

Standard AIs (3) are led by Yakmandu & NoWhereMan near Bonita Springs well behind the leading tandems.

Bottom line: MutantIsland with his jib & hull mod is laying a major hurt on all other Islands.

TwoBeers and Morsailesed in a custom, event-designed boat have finished in Key Largo (300 mi) in 1 day, 12 hr, 46 min.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:08 am 
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Every year, everyone wants to know what Randy Smythe (SewSew) is drinking/eating.


I saw his rations one year at the beach. He had a Subway sandwich tied to each shroud and a couple of water and Gatorade bottles lashed onto the boat here and there.

If you're only going to be out for a little over a day, that's plenty, I guess.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:31 am 
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Keith, you are kidding me.. the winners AVERAGED 8.16 knots? (assuming the race distance is actually 300 nautical miles). I am gobsmacked.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:01 am 
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Gobsmacked you are Tony! The race is about 300 statute miles.

I wondered what happened to SewSew and his very fast fiberglass trimaran. Turns out he lost his rudder, his whole rudder. Never hit anything, so he thinks it was perhaps a crab trap in open water. This is a hazard throughout this trip. He was able to sail into Chokoloskee, make a temporary rudder from stuff and is again moving south. Randy leaving the start line at 7:00 AM, Saturday, on the Ft Desoto beach.

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The scene at 6:32 AM, Saturday, Ft Desoto, East Beach

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:07 am 
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fusioneng wrote:
Jeeze Keith thanks for rubbing it in that I totally forgot to go up there Friday and talk to all the guys, first time since 2010 that I missed it.

FE

Bob, your boat would certainly get kudos for innovations, but I've never seen it on the Everglades Challenge start line???

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:16 am 
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Update at 8:53 AM. Monday morning

MutantIsland is 5 mi west of FLM (CP3); PenquinMan (Jim Czarnowski) is moving just south of Goodland about 100 mi north. He is still about 24 mi from Chokoloskee (CP2) They are in the Hobie Island Modified class. MI has a jib and PM has a spinnaker.

Standard Tandems (16) are led by Triman who is stopped at Chokoloskee (CP2.) Mr. Mako is about 30 mi up the coast but moving at about 5 kn. Other boats are strung out north along the coast.

Standard AIs (3) are led by Yakmandu & NoWhereMan off North Naples.

Bottom line: MutantIsland (tandem modified with new fiber glass hull bottom & custom jib) will finish today—300 mi in about 2.5 days.

SewSew (Randy Smythe) has his trimaran moving nicely, but must be in sight of MutantIsland.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:39 am 
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Keith:
I will enter one of these days in class 6 experimental electric class. I've been working 5 yrs now on my tri power rig with peddle,wing sail, and supplimental propulsion (either hybrid gas or electric solar). The cool part about my setup is it creates it's own wind (via apparent wind) so if there is no wind or very very light wind the boat still goes very fast, and the actual direction of the wind is secondary. I'm no athelete by any means, but I am a thinker (lol). So my thinking is why beat myself up, if I can provide 20% of my power requirements via my pedal drives (human power), 40% via my wing sail tech, and the remaining 40% via hybrid gas or electric solar I would have something worthwhile to me (only to me).
When I get the setup to work being able to travel the 300 miles straight thru at an average speed of 10-12 mph regardless of actual wind and direction I will have something worthwhile to me.
I've known my electric power requirements for a long time now, I'm just patiently waiting for the electric/battery/solar technology to catch up with my requirements.
The problem boils down to energy density, how much energy you can store and how efficiently you can use what you have avaliable. My current setup (with hybrid gas engines) averages 8-10 mph and gets a pretty consistant 100mpg, I get close to the same economy regardless of the actual wind direction and wind speed, I often sail right into the wind because it gives me the most accelerated air over my wing, actually about 10-15 degress off the wind is my most efficient point of sail. Of course this is all just with my first generation wing, when I get the second generation wings done (still another year out), I'm pretty confident I will be able to average 10-12 mph at around the same 100 mpg. I will then design and build new engines and props (of my own design) that will hopefully get me over 150mpg at average speed of at least 10-12 mph (still 3-4 yrs out on that one). That works out to completing the 300 mile EC using 1.5 gallons of gas at an average speed of 10-12 mph). Currently the energy density of gas is still 100x greater than any electric tech out there, I'll be the first to dump my gas engines as soon as electrics catch up, unfortunately I'm just guessing here but we are still 10-20 yrs away from that.
Besides that I live here (SWFl and the keys) and can go out every weekend and do anything I like without having to pay anyone anything, I have nothing to prove to anyone, this is all just a fun hobby for me (something to occupy my mind, and I get a little excercise to boot and get to go do fun things on the water most weekends year round, our favorite past time is scuba diving and snorkeling off Key West, our boat is the means to get out there and back safely and have a little fun in between and thats it. I figure if I can get out and back safely and at fairly decent speeds (nobody wants to go 3mph) and it only costs me a buck in fuel for the day I'm all in, let everyone else do as they please, or figure it out themselves.
Those are my stated goals. ( goal hasn't changed over the last 5-6 yrs, just takin a little longer to get there than I first thought (lol), some of this stuff turns out is kinda hard to solve)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:57 am 
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Ok Keith:
Here are the extension tubes:
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I ordered mail order 6160 T6 aluminum 1.5" dia (1/8" wall thickness), 4 pieces pre-cut to 18 inches long (they were around $24 bucks total). What I didn't realize before starting is the tubing Hobie uses has flat spots on the top and bottom (inside) to make the AKA's stronger (sides are 1/16 wall and the top and bottom are 1/8" wall). Before starting I had to beat down the ends of the rods with a ball peen hammer to make them oval shaped, I could then sculpt and file the ends (freehand) so they fit inside the tubes. The flattened ends stick into the AKA bar 3 inches per side, you kind of want the fit and roundness to be within a couple thousandths (really time consuming to do free hand), if you have access to a machine shop ( I don't, so everything was done freehand with a disk sander and file), it will save a bunch of time. Final dimensions on the ends are 1.498 dia +0.000 -.002, and the flats was 1.285 +0.000 minus .002" 3 inches long flats on mine anyway. In retrospect, I could have used solid rods instead of tubing.

I then measured from the centerline of the hinge on the AKA joint out 32" inches and cut the bars. The finished bars slide easily into the tubes.
On the rear AKA bars I had to drill out 2 rivets where the bungy for holding the AMA's in go, those same holes were then used with two 8/32 screws threaded into the new extension bar to hold the extension bars on.

Here is a pick of the completed AKA bar with the extension installed, like I said the extensions are removable but you would need to make up shortie extensions for when you don't want to use the extended ones (I haven't made the shorty extensions yet, I may not bother based on my first tests), those crazy extensions are probably staying for good now.
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I started talking about extending the AMA's a couple years ago, ordered the aluminum a yr ago , and finished them up last summer, but was reluctant to install them because I couldn't figure out how to do the mathematics (the flotation and heeling moment mathematics),
I still have no clue how to figure the math, but figured if I make them removable, I wouldn't be out much if the extensions didn't work.

I strongly doubt anyone else will bother with this crazy mod, you don't need to do it on a stock boat obviously.

FE

EDIT:
My reasoning behind the mod is if you look at Randy Smythes SewSew rig which has about the same floatation as our TI's (a little better L/W ratio though), and you look at his AMA's they likely have similar flotation to what we have on our TI's. I think I read somewhere he is running a sailset from an F18 (with the very top lopped off because it got ran over by a truck or something). I'm just guessin here but he is likely flying 500 sq ft of sail on a boat not too different from our TI's (flotationwise), look at the pic Keith posted, the stance on his boat is around 14 or 15 ft wide, I've seen some really fancy foiling tri's that are even wider. I can't do the math, but I figured why not try widening my boat and just see what happens.
Now I'm out looking for an F18 sail set that's been run over (just kidding).


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:45 pm 
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Nice job, Fusioneng.

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