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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:00 am 
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Chekika wrote:
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Can anyone see Blasius's pics? I can't..


I can't.

Keith

Can you try it again please?
I don't know how I can load the pictures directly, I hope you can see them now using the posted links.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:15 pm 
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Here are Biagio's images:

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Note that Biagio's "2014 AI" boat (yellow boat) is actually a 2010 boat or earlier (it has the old pin connector at the aka/crossbar joint and twist-n-stow rudder.)

Different people will see different things. Assuming that Biagio's images are to the correct dimensions, what catches my eye is
1. The ama's on the 2015 AI (dune boat in these pictures) have a distinct wedge-shape (inward slant) relative to the hull.
2. The amas of the 2015 AI make those of the 2010 version look positively puny.
3. The 2015 AI "swallows" the 2010 version when overlaid. The 2015 AI is "much" larger than the 2010.
4. The 2015 AI is almost as wide as the TI.

Stringy previously provided the following comparative specs for the 2015 AI vs the "old" 2014 AI:
Details- new (old):
Hull Length 16' 7" (16')
Mast 16' 6" (15' 2")
Beam out 2.9m (2.84) Beam in unchanged.
Sail Area -65sq/ft (57.5) (13% more sail area on the 2015)
Weight fitted 47.45kg (39.24kg) , rigged 64.4kg (52.16) (142# vs 116#) (22.5% increase in rigged weight)
Capacity 181kg (159) (400# vs 360#)

I'll leave it to others to speculate about what these changes mean in terms of performance of the 2015 AI vs the 2014. For me, time and usage will tell.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:24 pm 
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Thanks Blasius for taking the time to do the overlays and thanks Keith for reposting the pics.
Yes, assuming everything is equal (photoshopped TI?) it's a great way to compare the differences.
I see the same as you Keith.
Also it looks like the span between the aka has been standardised so that one set of tramps will fit both boats?
The seat location on both AI's seems the same? I thought in the show video clip it was mentioned the seat had been moved aft a bit? Looks like the rear aka has been moved forward?
It will be interesting to see if the new AI will fit the old cradles. Looks like TI cradles may be a better fit now?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:42 am 
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Check out the new TI in Hobie's mirage kayak tab above this forum. The specs are listed just about the same.

Handles are there.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:43 am 
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...so it seems the new TI is basically the same as the old one (same loading capacity, same sail size etc) with the only exception that it comes with the new nice seat and a different bow design...

Did i get that right?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:52 am 
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Change for the sake of change isn't necessarily good. The TI was already such a nice platform that it didn't require much in the way of changes.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:20 am 
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serbi :
I think it's just the very tip of the bow that changed to a reverse angle on the TI, the area back around the hatch I believe has not changed on the TI, where that frontal area changed quite a bit on the AI, and is now more bulbous (like the TI) and much stronger, in my opinion this is a better design (the AI needed more flotation on the bow, and strengthening (IMO), and the newer TI design(2012 plus), already had those improvements and a better hatch seal design (still not perfect, but OK), I think the 2015 AI was just brought up to similar specs.
Same with the AMA's the AI's AMA's were redesigned to be almost identical to the TI, which in my opinion are very good ( I can get them to plane on my TI anyway). As far as manufacturing goes, I'll bet even more components are now going to be interchangeable between the two models (ie... things like tramps will now be a single design used on both platforms, centerboard mechanism (which I think is a really good design BTW), maybe even the mast holder, AKA braces, etc ), makes perfect sense to me anyway, (I'm in manufacturing and think that way (LOL)).
Personally I think they are moving in the right direction based on my experience with my TI (BTW I never owned an AI, didn't like the design, however I wouldn't mind buying one now if I had the need. But that's all just my opinion, that's all). Everyone has different needs and wants, I just find our TI (with the few minor mods, that I added myself in my garage) to be perfect for us and our lifestyle, different strokes for different folks I guess LOL.

All just my opinions on stuff (clearly I don't think like most folks LOL)
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I think of buying an AI or a TI as kind of the same as buying a stock Camaro, or F150 truck new off the showroom floor, basically a nice vehicle that is moderately priced and appeals to the masses. Once you have that vehicle you can just drive it as is and be happy (90% of the people). A few people modify their vehicles to use them for different things and uses, sometimes wild and crazy (ie... fancy paint jobs, 600 hp engines on the Camaros, or giant wheels and lift kits for mudding on their trucks, or huge diesel engines with Allison transmissions just as examples). I feel Hobie did all the right things on the Adventure line of boats to make it a great starting platform for whatever you want to do with the boat, (ie... adding , trailers, HAKAS, tramps, jibs, spinnakers, Lawrence sonar systems, fancy rod holder systems, engines, evolves, etc, etc, etc) to suit it to your own personal lifestyle and needs. I honestly don't know of much else out there sail boat wise that you can do this with. You can also just as easily if you like it the way it comes from the factory, just use it as is and be perfectly happy, after all it's pretty darn good right out of the factory. As an example I have yet to see anyone fishing off of a sunfish or laser, or even destination sailing them for the day to sand bars and such (I've seen quite a few H16 and Getaways though). With the mirage drive system incorporated into the basic design, this removes all the typical fears associated with sailing, if the wind dies, your basically screwed. With the mirage system all those fears are gone and there is no time you can't take your precious family out on an adventure boat and have a good time (within reason of course), I personally think the whole concept is brilliant.
Nearly every other sail boat made follows the one design class rules, and your not allowed to modify them in any way. So a sunfish from the 60's is almost no different now from what it was 60 yrs ago....
These are all just my own opinions.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:33 am 
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stringy wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the new AI will fit the old cradles. Looks like TI cradles may be a better fit now?


FYI Hobie has posted a new accessories catalog on the website dated March 2015. There's not much notable in it other than they list two versions of AI cradles. Stringy I think that answers your question.

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The few times that I have had four people to help carry the TI the handles were a necessity, like the time I broke my rudder line and beached the boat miles away from the boat ramp. The surfers helped carry the boat across the sandy beach (I do no have sandy beach wheeled).

Ditto The comment for a bow and stern skid plate.

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TI_Tom wrote:
stringy wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the new AI will fit the old cradles. Looks like TI cradles may be a better fit now?


FYI Hobie has posted a new accessories catalog on the website dated March 2015. There's not much notable in it other than they list two versions of AI cradles. Stringy I think that answers your question.


The 2 types of Cradles in the catalog are still for the old AI's. One is Fibreglass the other is Plastic. I emailed Matt Miller, and he said that the 2015 AI cradles will be different and will not go into production for some time.

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Going to be tough for new 2015 AI owners to properly transport their boats without cradles form fitted for the new hull. IMO these should have been done in concert with the release of the new model AI.


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Tom Kirkman wrote:
Going to be tough for new 2015 AI owners to properly transport their boats without cradles form fitted for the new hull. IMO these should have been done in concert with the release of the new model AI.


Cradles will be available when the Boats are, we're still a little ways out - that's why it's no included in the catalog. (but they will be available once we start shipping boats)

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Just talked to our dealer in Victoria, BC, and I now have a 2015 catalogue - the TI data is identical to what is online, so this isn't a very different boat, unlike the AI. They plan on getting their order in soon, but the rep here didn't have a firm date for production yet. The Canadian list has jumped from $6269 to $6757, so for us it comes down to justifying the seat improvement for our old bones. Sure, the new drives are better but the old ones I tried on an AI weren't bad to begin with. Add to that, he had a really nice Hobie demo-stamped TI at $4999. Tempting.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:23 pm 
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The TI was already a newer boat than the AI so it didn't require as much tweaking to get it to the same place.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:49 am 
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Chekika wrote:
Here are Biagio's images:

Image

Image

Image

Note that Biagio's "2014 AI" boat (yellow boat) is actually a 2010 boat or earlier (it has the old pin connector at the aka/crossbar joint and twist-n-stow rudder.)

Different people will see different things. Assuming that Biagio's images are to the correct dimensions, what catches my eye is
1. The ama's on the 2015 AI (dune boat in these pictures) have a distinct wedge-shape (inward slant) relative to the hull.


Is this remarkable "toe in" built by purpose or is it a flaw in production?

br thomas


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