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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:17 pm 
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Flaneur, that looks like a beam reach in a stiff 20+MPH wind. I would guess the boat was unbalanced by too much sail and maybe the swell. On an AI, I would be reefing the sail to 50% and then letting it out bit by bit until I buried an Ama or had to fight the helm.

Did you sail the AI before getting this boat? If so, do you feel like the extra sail area overpowers the rudder more quickly than it would on an AI (in the same conditions)?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:41 am 
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Maybe something like my sketch could be used to apply Bob's idea for better feed of down line. This is also test to see if I can manage to get a picture into my answer.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:27 am 
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Not sure how to delete a redundant message.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:30 am 
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Boka1942,

With respect to the image it is much better drawn and with type that is easier to read than my hand drawn sketches. But I'm not sure I understand where these things go. Perhaps try a photo simulation by cut and past small images on an image of the section of the boat where it might go.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:02 pm 
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NOHUHU wrote:
Flaneur, that looks like a beam reach in a stiff 20+MPH wind. I would guess the boat was unbalanced by too much sail and maybe the swell. On an AI, I would be reefing the sail to 50% and then letting it out bit by bit until I buried an Ama or had to fight the helm.

Did you sail the AI before getting this boat? If so, do you feel like the extra sail area overpowers the rudder more quickly than it would on an AI (in the same conditions)?

I've never sailed an AI other than a quick 10 minute demo on a calm lake about 4 years ago. So I can't compare. The wind was probably pushing 20 mph (it was 15-20 on my meter before I went out), and yes I agree, I should probably have reefed the sail. I've now learned, through this board, that reefing the sail isn't only for keeping the ama from getting buried. I was slightly into the wind, but it was pretty close to a beam reach. Even though the sail is full I was pushing through so much chop the boat wasn't able to really cut through the water that fast or efficiently, so that's why I had the sail all the way out. I'll admit I rarely reef it because it just seems more fun to be overpowered in extreme conditions. This is the first boat I've sailed, so I'll admit I'm a novice sailor. I'm steadily learning what to do, and learning things such as the rudder CAN be overpowered (who knew?). I've been kitesurfing for over 8 years, so that helps a little, but it's a lot different on a boat. Maybe that's why I'm looking for a little more extreme experience on the TI.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:34 am 
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Image Image Image Image

I made a paper dummy of the bracket and placed it on the fixed part of the rudder. The black dot represents the stud,

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