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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:35 pm 
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Got my A1 before Christmas and got the lot tramps etc. I had the tramp on in a blowy Noreaster and the tramp acted a bit like an extra sail so got a bit hairy in the 500-600mm chop. I'll sail wihout it from now on.

Getting the hang of tacking but have to use pedals to get around in the choppy conditions as the waves keep pushing you back to old course.

My first problem was a fin pulling through the eyelet but dealer replaced by post no problem.

Anyhow. Has anyone managed to capsize or is the whole thing too stable for that? If you have dunked one, how did you get it back up? :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:17 am 
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A couple of posters here have flipped the AI when the wind caught under the tramps.

I use one homemade 1/2 width tramp for fishing without that problem.

I think 1/2 tramps are more useful (can paddle over one, less wind "grab") but haven't figured out how to split one into two or make a strong enough homemade one yet. (But I'm working on it :) )

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:44 pm 
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garryj wrote:
Anyhow. Has anyone managed to capsize or is the whole thing too stable for that?


NOTHING is TOO stable to capsize...but the harder your boat is to capsize the harder it is to right again, fortunately with the AI you can collapse the ama. Instructions for righting it should be included in the manual you recieved with the boat.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:15 pm 
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As previously stated, "Nothing is too big to capsize" Quite true. I've written about this before in the forum, so I'll make this short.

I've capsized the AI twice in one day. First time I was sailing parallel to the waves and a big roller curled and broke right where I happened to be not paying attention. The boat just fell sideways down the face of this big wave. It collapsed one ama. It took a while to extend and relock the ama because I had wandered into an area of offshore breakers, and the breakers made it dangerous to be near the boat when they hit.

A short time after I got the ama locked and the AI moving again, a rather large wave appeared. I turned and went right at it thinking my best shot was to clear it before it broke. Didn't quite make it. The wave was large, it stood the AI up completely vertical and flipped it over on it's back. Very dramatic. Very scary. When I realized what was going to happen, the thought of going over backwards and the AI coming down on top of me with all that water on top of it was pretty terrifying. It collapsed both amas. It was extremely difficult to extend and relock both amas in that crazy sea, but I got it done. I was quite lucky to get away with just some bumps and bruises.

To this day, I am still amazed that the boat didn't break apart. It took an incredible beating and then I sailed it home.

Hopefully, I am much smarter now about weather, gear and being OK with staying on shore on a bad day.

The AI is wide and has a low center of gravity, but I promise you you can turn it over.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:30 pm 
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garryj wrote:

Anyhow. Has anyone managed to capsize or is the whole thing too stable for that? If you have dunked one, how did you get it back up? :mrgreen:


I brought a sailing kit for my existing hull and in the assembly manual it gives details on how to get it back up again,,hopefully you have some instructions with yours,,cheers,,


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:12 pm 
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I can see the instructions on getting it back up but I would prefer not to have to use them. I've had some grief when sailing side on to the whitecaps so will simply watch my point of sailing. (not optional when competing) . I don't intend sailing in the surf but we do get huge chop in Lake Macquarie which comes over my seawall.

Last Saturday the Tbar on the Down side of the rudder snapped off so getting the rope back through is my next challenge. Took me two hours to paddle and pedal back. Couldnt sail at all, kept heading up with no rudder and then the elastic holding the paddle came undone. What a day but no harm done.

I'm looking forward to shooting my own video to post. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:04 pm 
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garryj,
My favorite story is by drgatsea. Here is his original post. (More detail than your second telling dr :P )
And this last summer AlohaDan had a good story. Pirate also had a good story, which I think was posted sometime this last fall. These are all good posts to read. Good stories to learn from.

"I capsized my AI twice in one day. Both times the amas collapsed. It’s not as much fun as it sounds.

A little background. I have had my AI since December of 2006. I sail it a lot. I sail off the coast of Florida and enjoy sailing/surfing the boat in and out of the inlet by our condo. The low center of gravity and the wide stance make the AI a great vehicle for negotiating big waves. It’s a lot of fun and I do it often.

The weather that day. Lots of wind and waves, both directly toward shore. There were no other boats out on the water, just surfers.

The area. There is an area north of us that becomes very shallow. It’s about a half mile offshore and probably covers an area about the size of 5 football fields. With the wind and water conditions, this area became a zone of breakers way offshore.

First capsize. I thought I was far enough out on the seaward side to miss the bad water. Bad guess. I was sailing on a reach, half the sail furled., the wind and waves coming directly over the starboard side. I saw the wave coming but thought it was just going to roll under me like all the others. I didn’t realize it was going to break until I was almost on the face of it. With the wind on the sail and the wave curling, the AI toppled over sideways down the face. I fell with the boat. When I surfaced, the AI was on it’s starboard side, the port ama was on the high side collapsed against the boat.

Second Capsize. After the previous capsize, I was on high alert. I was also farther into all the breakers. I needed to get out of where I was and sailing was the fastest way to do that. The wind had picked up. I went back on a reach, I furled all but a few feet of sail and was also pedaling. Every time a large wave came, I turned and went into it head on. This worked for about 5 minutes. Then THE WAVE came. It was about 60 yards away when I first saw it. If I were a surfer, it would be the one I was waiting for. I turned toward it and started pedaling harder. I knew I had to get over it before it broke. Pedaling directly into the wind and waves I had very little forward momentum. The boat slowed as it started up the face. I got this sick feeling as I realized the AI was going to be turned over backwards. I did not want it coming down on top of me with all that water on top of it. As the boat went over backwards, I remember frantically kicking it away from me. The sound of that wave breaking was thunderous. When I came up, the AI was away from me and both amas were collapsed.

The amas. I don’t know how to tell you how difficult it was to right the boat and extend and lock both amas in that water. The waves kept knocking the boat down, rolling it over, pushing me away from it. I can’t even tell you how long it took. I made deals with God. I got it together and I got home.

My concerns. For the amas to release the way they did, I was sure the little plastic caps on the aka braces had to be broken. They weren’t. But what I discovered is that if the ama is pushed from the rear, it compresses the little spring in the aka brace cap and the brace can pop off the retaining ball quite easily.

I realize that being driven backwards down the face of a breaking wave may be the only time this comes into play. But there should be a way to lock that brace on the ball.

If I had capsized where I did and the amas had stayed in place, it would have been a matter of righting the boat, getting back in and going on my way. With the amas collapsed in bad water, an inconvenient situation became a very dangerous one. It will happen to someone else. And it will happen at the worst possible time.

Note to Hobie, find a way to lock the braces on the ball. The little spring cap is great when the boat is moving forward, not so great when moving backwards. It should be a simple fix.

And now for the good news. I know how fragile the AI looks. Don’t believe it. My boat was pounded, from every angle possible and in the most violent manner. It was rolled over with the mast sticking in the bottom and then hit again and again. I kept waiting for pieces to break off, for the mast to snap, for the rudder to disappear. Nothing broke, nothing. When I got back, there was a little water inside the hull, but there were times when the entire boat was completely underwater. Well done Hobie, well done.

Afterthought. When this first happened, I was upset that a design flaw might have put me in danger. As I look back on it, I wonder if the AI would have faired as well if the amas hadn’t collapsed. I would think the tumbling, pounding and rolling over would have been worse for the AI if the amas had remained fully extended. Maybe I was luckier than I thought."

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