Return to Hobie.com
Hobie Forums
It is currently Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:30 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:58 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Deck Hand

Joined: Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:48 am
Posts: 17
I've been sailing several times by myself on the 2015 TI. The boat is heavier than the old one so I'm thinking about a 2015AI for solo sailing. I am waiting on a call to try one before I buy.

Has anyone actually compared how these two boats sail with the same weights in them? I've read a lot about the 2015 AI and the improvements. Seems to be much better that the AI 1 but how do the 2015 AI 2 and TI2 match up as far as sailing goes?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:03 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:58 am
Posts: 2893
Location: Forster, NSW, Australia
The inference from your post is that you were disappointed with the sailing performance of the TI. What were you expecting, and more importantly, what are you expecting from an AI2? While I haven't sailed an AI2, I would be surprised if its speed isn't only marginally greater than a TI (or older AI for that matter). In addition, the new AI2 is not hugely lighter than a TI.

Islands, in all their varieties, are not outright performance sailers compared to many other off the beach vessels, but their really strong suit is their versatility.

_________________
Tony Stott
2012 Tandem Island "SIC EM" with Hobie spinnaker


Last edited by tonystott on Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:13 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:41 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:25 pm
Posts: 387
Location: Jaco, Costa Rica
diegokid wrote:
I've been sailing several times by myself on the 2015 TI. The boat is heavier than the old one so I'm thinking about a 2015AI for solo sailing. I am waiting on a call to try one before I buy.

Has anyone actually compared how these two boats sail with the same weights in them? I've read a lot about the 2015 AI and the improvements. Seems to be much better that the AI 1 but how do the 2015 AI 2 and TI2 match up as far as sailing goes?


It is? That's news to me. I have a 2013 TI and a 2014 AI. I never take the AI out anymore if that tells you anything. In fact I have the AI for sale here in Costa Rica if anyone is looking?
http://costarica.en.craigslist.org/boa/5196740325.html

_________________
Mark
Tandem Island- 2013
2 - Sports - 2014


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:11 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:18 am
Posts: 3062
Location: Sarasota,Key West FL
I suspect the main reason the old 2006 design of the AI-1 was upgraded was because the floor fell out on AI sales after the updated TI design came out in 2010 (based on the same Adventure boat theme that Hobie invented (and we are all glad for that, they had to start somewhere....). All these boats are a totally new concept in boats and by far the most versatile things on the water today. The AI 2 was developed to take advantage of all the success's of the TI design (quite probably the most popular boat on the market today). My opinion is everything that was lacking in the old and dated AI1 design (sitting below water, AMA's too small, and not enough floation on the bow). All these recent AI-2 improvements bring both boats on par as the most succesful design out there today.

The only choice you need to make anymore is if you only ever sail solo, there is no need for the TI's capacity of up to 4 people.

In our situation our TI is our general purpose family boat that we use for anything and everything and really enjoy the extra capacity when we need it. Most weekends I'm out there solo and to me there is no downside to having the reserve capacity available to me for when family comes down to visit from up north.

However our situation is different than most, we are former powerboaters and kayakers who only ever used tandem kayaks previously (all tandem kayaks are big and heavy just by nature). The difference in weight between the AI-2 and the TI is very small, rigging time is pretty equal, most of us launch from trailers anyway so the actual boat weight (within reason) is a mute point to us (keep in mind we only ever use tandem kayaks anyway).

Considering our only other choice out there was the Windrider 17 which weighs in at 450 lbs and can't possibly be car topped (we car top our TI all the time). Disclaimer: obviously our TI is not stock, with a little imagination and knowhow it's easily converted to a complex sailboat (complex meaning a boat with main, jib, spiinakers,etc (like the Windrider or Weta)), we have been running ours that way for 5 1/2 yrs now with no issues, it takes me less than 15 minutes to rig and launch even with all my mods (try and do that with a windrider).

99% of the AI/TI owners out there are perfectly happy with the off the shelf performance of these boats, ours was only upgraded to suit our own specific needs (mostly offshore in So Fl and the keys, we don't use it for much else anymore). Just look on any map, the area is vast, as destination people we often cover 50-60 miles on a good day, you simply can't do that at 3mph (the only reason for our mods is we seldom go out in winds over 7mph (no wind at all is most preferred) which is most typical here ten months out of the year, obviously I will never be a hard core man vs sea purist.

Thru most of the summer ours is typically the only sail boat out there...(technically it's a human powered hybrid). That tri-power stuff really works (Hobie invented that too, before they dreamed it up I don't think anyone seriously ever thought about it before). By combining human power (mirage pedal power), and sail power, and supplimental propulsion (either hybrid or electric) using all at the same time opens up a whole new world to all of us (no boundaries). thanks Hobie. Anymore I just use their stuff and love it, I'm out there most weekends in total awe and amazement at what these boats can really do (I'm dead serious).
My 2 cents
FE


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:26 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:58 am
Posts: 2893
Location: Forster, NSW, Australia
CR Yaker wrote:
diegokid wrote:
I've been sailing several times by myself on the 2015 TI. The boat is heavier than the old one so I'm thinking about a 2015AI for solo sailing. I am waiting on a call to try one before I buy.

Has anyone actually compared how these two boats sail with the same weights in them? I've read a lot about the 2015 AI and the improvements. Seems to be much better that the AI 1 but how do the 2015 AI 2 and TI2 match up as far as sailing goes?


It is? That's news to me. I have a 2013 TI and a 2014 AI. I never take the AI out anymore if that tells you anything. In fact I have the AI for sale here in Costa Rica if anyone is looking?
http://costarica.en.craigslist.org/boa/5196740325.html

I guess the Vantage chairs would add a few percent to the weight, although I certainly doubt that anyone could feel the difference in performance....

_________________
Tony Stott
2012 Tandem Island "SIC EM" with Hobie spinnaker


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:01 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:29 pm
Posts: 2763
Location: High Point, NC
I seriously doubt the AI2 will outperform either the TI1 or TI2. You just don't have the sail area to do it.

You might be able to trim the boat a little better for solo sailing, but that 30sq. ft. of less sail area against the difference in weight isn't likely to put the AI2 ahead of the TI in solo configuration.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:28 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:18 am
Posts: 3062
Location: Sarasota,Key West FL
I really don't think you can classify the minor changes to the TI as TI-1 and TI-2, It's the same boat with a couple minor updates (mostly new and better seats, and a minor nose job), actually I think they removed much more than they added, I would call it the TI minus 1 (just kidding, I will likely upgrade myself when I can afford it and when my current TI wears out (which could seriously be many years from now, the darn things are built like a tank)), That will be TI number 4 for me.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:44 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:25 pm
Posts: 2867
Location: Central Coast NSW Australia
diegokid wrote:

The boat is heavier than the old one so I'm thinking about a 2015AI for solo sailing.


I'd be surprised if this was the case.
As FE Bob said the TI update only had minor changes.
Don't believe the Hobie weight specs as they have never been accurate.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: TI and AI
PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:23 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:14 pm
Posts: 3323
Location: South Florida
People are saying a lot of things here that may or may not be true. I agreed with Stringy that you absolutely cannot trust Hobie's published weight specs. The AI 2 has a different sail design and until someone with far more knowledge & experience than me tests the two, I don't think you can speculate seriously about their comparative performance. I am confident to say the 2015 TI weighs at least 50-60 # more than the 2015 AI (the AI 2).

Keith

_________________
2015 AI 2, 2014 Tandem

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex ... It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." A. Einstein

"Less is more" Anon


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
© Hobie Cat Company. All rights reserved.
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group