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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:48 pm 
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In heavy weather, both my AI and TI take water through the front hatch. By heavy, I mean burying the bow up to the mast for 15 plus seconds at a time. This results in nearly a foot of water covering the deck and hatch. Following seas seem to be the biggest culprit. I have trimmed the plastic on the hull to insure a good seal with the hatch cover. But, I still get water.

After extensive pondering, I am going to try a different approach based on my latest theory - what if the air in the hull lifts the hatch during these extended submersions. I don't think spray is the problem. Once the hatch is lifted even a little, air escapes and is displaced with water. I also think the flow of water over the hull might also create a lifting force on the hatch, much like lift on a wing.

My sea kayaks have non-stretch webbing straps with latches to hold the hatch down. This creates a bone dry seal no matter the conditions or flexing of the hull. I am going to add these straps and latches to my front hatch to replace or augment the bungies. I just don't think the bungies create a tight enough seal.

I would be curious if anyone has tried this solution with their front hatch. If so, how did it work?

Also, is my theory "all wet?"

Yakmandu


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:37 pm 
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Check on the hatch fit, especially any part of the inside seal keeping the outside seal from sealing tight. On my 2015 AI I removed the inside seal and the hatch fits fine now. I also added a plastic hook over the bungee to tighten the bungees more on days it needs it.

Other posts here on the forum have used foam on the inside lid (sounds good), and even a "shower cap" type seal like you describe. Whatever works.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:08 pm 
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I'm bothered by some of Yakmandu's comments here. My comments are in red.

Yakmandu wrote:
...my latest theory - what if the air in the hull lifts the hatch during these extended submersions. I don't think spray is the problem. Once the hatch is lifted even a little, air escapes and is displaced with water. I also think the flow of water over the hull might also create a lifting force on the hatch, much like lift on a wing. I don't think it is possible for the hatch to "lift" when it is under water. Where is the lifting pressure coming from? Air? If this were the case, everyone's boat would leak. Many boats are effectively dry. Some of us drill small holes in the top of our Island (right behind the front seat in a tandem) so that it can breath if necessary.

My sea kayaks have non-stretch webbing straps with latches to hold the hatch down. This creates a bone dry seal no matter the conditions or flexing of the hull. I am going to add these straps and latches to my front hatch to replace or augment the bungies. I just don't think the bungies create a tight enough seal. The idea of strengthening the bungees is OK, but the potential problem with "non-stretch webbing straps" is that they can distort the Hobie hatch cover leading to serious leaks....

MrMako at last year's Everglades Challenge did have non-stretch cam straps to secure his front hatch cover. Note that the straps are near the ends of the cover and that the cover is re-enforced. Cam straps have another problem. While the exterior of the cam clamp is zinc coated, there is an interior spring for spring-loading the cam clamp which is ordinary iron and will rust and fail fairly quickly. MrMako will be back at this year's EC. I will be interested in all his innovations.

Keith

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