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 Post subject: Got a PA today
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:27 pm 
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In my little garage with Malone XT tongue retracted:

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For now 2" sch 80 conduit. I just need a better way to attach to bars.

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:51 pm 
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Looks good Congrats!

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:34 pm 
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Congrats!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:36 pm 
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Please report how you attach the pvc to the bars when you figure it out. I hope to be doing the same as you in a couple months.

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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Jaxjag wrote:
Please report how you attach the pvc to the bars when you figure it out. I hope to be doing the same as you in a couple months.

Congrats!


I will.

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:03 am 
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If you remove the uprights completely, you should be able to fasten some PVC directly to the trailer frame itself. This will get the boat down much, much lower, making it easier to load and unload, particularly if you want to launch from a boat ramp.

It looks to me as if the PA will fit between the fenders and if so, this should work fine for you.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:54 am 
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Tom Kirkman wrote:
If you remove the uprights completely, you should be able to fasten some PVC directly to the trailer frame itself. This will get the boat down much, much lower, making it easier to load and unload, particularly if you want to launch from a boat ramp.

It looks to me as if the PA will fit between the fenders and if so, this should work fine for you.


Great advice Tom.
That had crossed my mind however I have four "J" mounts that need those bars for two other kayaks I want to haul at times.
I will think about though.
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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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Congrats on getting her home. Good feeling to have it sitting in the garage. So when is the maiden?


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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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Tom Kirkman wrote:
If you remove the uprights completely, you should be able to fasten some PVC directly to the trailer frame itself. This will get the boat down much, much lower, making it easier to load and unload, particularly if you want to launch from a boat ramp.

It looks to me as if the PA will fit between the fenders and if so, this should work fine for you.


Tom, you always have great advice. Would you attach to the frame with U bolts?


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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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de-tension wrote:
Congrats on getting her home. Good feeling to have it sitting in the garage. So when is the maiden?


Maybe tomorrow but most likely next weekend at Lake Hodges, CA.

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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Congrats, it's awesome, looks perfect on the trailer, many years of great fishing to come

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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Jaxjag wrote:
Please report how you attach the pvc to the bars when you figure it out. I hope to be doing the same as you in a couple months.

Congrats!



Okay...a better way to attach the PVC pipe mounts to the crossbars occurred to me this morning.
Here is what I originally did:
Used two 7 foot sections of 2" diameter schedule 80 PVC electrical conduit pipe. I drilled holes on both sides of the pipe where they sat on top of the crossbars then fished a large zip-tie through the holes and around the crossbar. I don't care for this due to the fact that drilling the holes weakens the pipe a bit and zip-ties can break.
I will add here that after the PA is loaded, the sheer weight of the boat holds the pipes within it's scupper line. The main point of holding the pipes in place is during loading and unloading. I never got them tight to the crossbars and that is a good thing considering you want the pipes to move laterally as they find and follow the scupper groove line.

Here is possibly a better way:

Using the same type/size pipe I would glue a slippery yet soft indoor/outdoor carpet just over the top half of the pipe (I glued some to 4" drain pipe in an earlier post but the height of the kayak was going to be unmanageable in my opinion).
Now, instead of drilling the pipe cut four appropriate short strips of 1" webbing tie-down strap material and epoxy one end to the underside of the pipe, go around the crossbar, and then epoxy the other side.

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Improve on this as I am sure it can be done but this would allow for them to stay put during loading and unloading while providing a more secure mount option. They could still slide to follow the scupper line yet I feel not relying on zip-ties and holes would be a big peace of mind.

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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Why not put the tie down strap material over the pipe, epoxy it, wrap around your bar and bring it back up and epoxy again. Then put the carpet over it. That would give extra hold on the strap I think?

Are you sure the epoxy will hold the strap?


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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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Jaxjag wrote:
Why not put the tie down strap material over the pipe, epoxy it, wrap around you bar and bring it back up and epoxy again. Then put the carpet over it. That would give extra hold the strap.

Are you sure the epoxy will hold the strap?


Since the PA is so darn heavy I wanted the smoothest surface possible so as not to create indentations in the hull. I also store my PA on the trailer.

A good two part epoxy I am sure will hold plus the straps are not really holding anything except pipe movement during the on and offloading process.

Some of my thinking behind it.
Thanks for the added suggestion!

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 Post subject: Re: Got a PA today
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SHRED56 wrote:
Jaxjag wrote:
Why not put the tie down strap material over the pipe, epoxy it, wrap around you bar and bring it back up and epoxy again. Then put the carpet over it. That would give extra hold the strap.

Are you sure the epoxy will hold the strap?


Since the PA is so darn heavy I wanted the smoothest surface possible so as not to create indentations in the hull. I also store my PA on the trailer.

A good two part epoxy I am sure will hold plus the straps are not really holding anything except pipe movement during the on and offloading process.

Some of my thinking behind it.
Thanks for the added suggestion!


I will be storing mine on the trailer too. I like the idea of being able to move in case I ever add another kayak and really like the idea of not drilling the pipe. I guess I don't know the strength of epoxy. Would it make sense to run several inches longer on the pipes then epoxy a couple cross strips over your strip and about halfway up the pipe for added security? I guess I am thinking of the stress on the front cross bar as you have the PA loading on or off the back end.

Thanks for the idea. Let me know how it works.


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