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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:05 pm 
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bassie1234567, thanks for bringing this subject up.
I just want to add a few of my observations:
Too much emphasis lately on racing in fleets. I believe there has always been a certain percentage of racers vs. rec. sailors in the fleets. As membership increased or decreased the percentages remained virtually the same. You need both rec. sailors and racers in the fleets and both need to be catered too EQUALLY.
Here in San Diego we used to be able to keep boats and trailers on the street and boats on the grass at Santa Clara Place. NOT ANY MORE. Storing our boats is a problem for many people. Some have joined yacht clubs. Some at the MBYC have told me that since they store their boats at the YC they no longer trailer it to regattas. They have their own races - TNT = Thursday Night Thing. No awards. Just bragging rights.
Bad Economy - boats and maintenance are expensive; regattas aren't cheap; traveling is no longer cheap... Many people are hurting.
My old friend, Mike hammond, is right. Take people out sailing. Have a great time. Some will get hooked and rec. sail. Some will race. Remember the percentages. Most of us got started by catching a ride from a friend on a Hobie.
Thanks Bassie and Mike Hammond and others. We obviously have a problem and it needs to be discussed.
One more thing, Mike - I have two grown kids. They both hate sailing. The four grandkids like it so far. Maybe it skips a generation??? I hope you have better luck with you kids.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:47 am 
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Good thread.

I am sure the decrease in cat sailing is what spesce said:

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Therefore, cost, proximity to easy sailing locations, and comfort for most people sway their decision.

As I say here, the first discomfort is complex rigging.

Make it too complicated to do or hard to get your hands on and people just walk away. Too many other hassles, too many income worries now.

Racers have brought this on themselves because they create the "rigging culture" -- complicated and expensive.

It is whatever brings people together.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:58 pm 
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OK, today was a swing and a miss. We invited two MD friends and their kids sailing. The husband said "I'm not much into all this water stuff". His kids had a good day at the bay, but this couple will never buy in. It was a nice day on the water, so nothing was lost, and I know not to lobby this couple as there are better targets.

Who did you take sailing this weekend?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:11 pm 
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Since retiring I seldom go sailing on weekends; especially holiday weekends. Besides, I just got back a few days ago from kayaking and hiking all over the Eastern Sierras with my wife and other family members. Before we left, I took Meb Keflezighi out sailing. He's the Olympic Silver Medalist from the 2004 Olympics in Athens and the winner of the N.Y.C. Marathon last year. He's been a friend of our family for about 19 years.The following are his two Twitter entries that day:
Just finished wind sailing on Rich's Hobie Cat boat. Perfect day, wind was really strong. We both trapped out & had a blast!!!
3:02 PM Aug 25th via mobile web
A nice 17mi run around Mission Bay Park w/ Rich Levy on the bike. Great home made bread Rich made. Now out for some sailing w/ Rich
11:59 AM Aug 25th via mobile web
I occasionally take other Olympic and National Medalists in Track out sailing; friends closer to our age; and on several occasions I've taken our grandkids, their friends, and parents out for the day - taking turns. I pick them up and drop them off at the playground at Fanual Street (Sail Bay). All the years I was working I often took the nurses, anesthesiologists, surgeons, and other O.R. personnel out sailing for the day.
Everyone has a great time, but I don't think I'm responsible for selling any boats. Besides, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free". They can sail with me any time they want.
I just keep plugging away and do what I enjoy most.
At this point in my life I get more pleasure out of getting others out on the wire then I do getting out there myself; although Meb and the other runners I've taken out have been measures at about 2% body fat. I can double trap with them or my wife just about any day.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:07 pm 
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You are doing exactly what I was too. I want people to enjoy the day, I won't have the sell the boat (although it's in the blood), they will look for the opportunity to buy. We have brought many families into sailing over the years. Like you, we enjoy the day and company, and then when asked, we help them source their own boat. When true interest is expressed, we just make it easy for them.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:01 am 
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Racing vs Recreational sailing:

For me there isn't much recreational sailing going on. Even if I go to the lake without a race committee, or marks, I'm still working on things for racing. I find myself going windward/leeward on the lake unless I'm in a group. I've spent hours just keeping myself parked on a buoy just in an attempt to perfect my parking and handling of a boat on a start line. My coach mentioned a big part of training is learning not to go anywhere. :lol: This is a sport that takes a certain amount of anal-retentiveness to do well. You need to know right from wrong, both in setup and execution, and there is a fairly large amount of stuff to know. The simpler the boat the simpler the setup, but the execution is still all basically the same.


In few words I don't get much out of recreational sailing anymore. :D


Another thing, why all the bashing of PWC? I have a jetski, its fun to ride (although I haven't used it much this year). There is a skill set to riding a jet ski well also, plus some mechanical knowledge if you fit into the modifying crowd. I get bored after about 20 minutes riding a sit-n-spin, but a stand up ski offer's plenty of challenges to ride well. I think most powerboaters fit in to at least one category; the lets go float around the lake people, fisherman, and the lets dangle someone by a rope at high speed people. Most fit into multiple categories, many all three. And there's nothing wrong with that. They're just out enjoying the water as well. There are way too many people though, on and off the water. :evil:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:29 am 
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From a sailing perspective, there ARE to many motor boats on the water, I also own a fishing boat. As far as rec sailing goes , that is where Hobie sailing got it's start, but as far as rec sailing or what I like to call," sailing", if you aren't doing much of; you should get more folks interested in it, then there would be more sailors around to maybe.... race.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:21 am 
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Well the kids played soccer this morning and the mother of the blonde kid in the photo, the one on the wire, is still really excited about sailing. The familiy, like many now, is not in a financial place to buy a boat, but may be in the near future. She said she was shocked to know that you could find boats for under a couple of thousand dollars. She said her kids used to talk about and ask about motorcycles for the desert, now they are talking about boats. The mom also said that she and her husband like the idea of the beach and bay as these are closer than the desert, and you can go to the beach in the summer. Few ride in the summer. Then there is the cost of running and keeping up the motorcycles, the risk on motorcycles and on and on. With a little time, and better economy, this family may become a sailing family.

She also said she is showing off the sailing photos to friends, and the fact that the boats are affordable. I didn't have to "sell" the boat or sailing, it sold itself.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:40 pm 
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I too have many passer-by's that are surprised by the reletive affordability of used cats.

But it may take another fuel crunch (or taxation / prices on fuel similar to those in Europe) before sailing really will rebound and have another growth spurt.

When it truly becomes painful for the average person to fuel up a jet ski or the like, rigging time / other "discomforts" won't matter.

Don't get me wrong, jet ski's are fun too.

But I prefer to sail.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:27 pm 
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Sailing on a catamaran has always been fun and exciting, but what made this experience even better was rigging and sailing with a large group of friends. We used to call it "The Hobie Way Of Life". You didn't need to race your boat in order to enjoy this life. The Activities Chairman of our fleets had plenty of events planned, both on and off the water, throughout the year to keep us busy and entertained. The fleets were like an extension of our family and its members were our best friends.
Not every fleet member owned a boat or raced, but most of us volunteered often to help with fleet business, activities, regattas, and to crew for those who raced and needed a light weight crew. We also had some clout because of our large numbers.
People didn't just join our fleet because they liked to sail. They liked our lifestyle and wanted to be a part of it.
The sailing is still great, but that lifestyle is missing out here and it sounds like it's missing in most other parts of this country.
If you want people to race, you have to build up your fleets and entertain them. Remember-the percentages remain constant. More people = same percentage, but more people racing and helping to put on your regattas and to run your fleets.
Bring back that lifestyle and you'l have an easier time getting people hooked on sailing and buying a boat.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:16 pm 
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From the Front Page of SA a few months back.

Link: http://www.sailinganarchy.com/article.php?get=5249

Surf City Racing wrote:
turn off, tune in, trap out

Okay so one of our favorite guys is Jeremy Leonard from Surf City Sailing - he just seems to get what this sport is all about. Dig it.

Today while you guys were sitting on your duffs pondering the future of sailing, the fine folks at Richmond Yacht Club were doing something to ensure that the future is bright. The RYC held their annual Sail a Small Boat day and it was proof, yet again, that you don’t have to have a multi-million dollar mega-yacht to have a great time on the water.

Though the wind was light, about 25 small boats, countless volunteers, and about 100 participants showed up and enjoyed this sunny day in the Richmond Riviera. The boats ranged from the tiny Open Bic to Ultimate 20s to Optis to Hobie 20s, FDs, Snipes, I14s and all kinds of other boats. According to Eric Arens, past RYC commodore and on-site organizer for the SaSBD, “The goal is to get new people into boats, and to get sailors into different kinds of boats.” And that they did with great success!

As it should be, being small boats and all, the show was dominated by youth. The vast majority of the boats had someone on board that was under 20, with many boats fully crewed by kids ranging from about 5 to 19 years old. The consensus that I’ve been hearing from yacht clubs all over the place is that their youth sailing programs are thriving. It’s a good thing too because, let’s face it, sailing as a whole is getting kind of old. Steve Lowry, head of the High School sailing program for RYC mirrors what I’ve seen, “We’re out almost every weekend racing against High Schools all over the bay area, and as with any youth program it goes in cycles, right now we’re on an up-tick. We’ve got a brand new junior director that’s doing an awesome job.” Good! So our sport isn’t going to go extinct; and we owe that to all of the people that volunteer their time getting kids on the water.

Talking to Steve got me thinking. Why the hell are these kids the only ones here, and not hordes of others? I decided to ask the youth and get their perspective; after all they should know what their peers are up to, because they seem to have their noses in some kind of device texting each other all the time. I made my way toward the 29ers to ask a couple of young dudes, what’s up, and the answer? “They’re playing video games.” WTF? You’re kidding me, right?

Apparently not. According to my young friends Molly and Jonathan 15 and 14 respectively, “They’re home playing Call of Duty, most people aren’t motivated to sail, it takes more effort.”

Really? I had to confirm, so I went and asked three more 29er teams from San Francisco Yacht Club and St Francis, all with ages ranging from 16 to 19, and sure enough, at least one member from each team said that their friends were home playing video games. Sure there were other things like homework, and hanging out with friends mentioned, but not with the frequency of video games.

OK, with one possible problem identified, I asked all of them a follow up question, “How do we get more youth on the water?” I asked James and Antione, both 16 year old 29er sailors and Antoine suggested, “We have more of these,” referring to the SaSBD. Overlooking the sea of masts, James followed, “Yeah this is really great!” The 29er youth team of Reid and Annie, both 17, had some insights into how we get more young people on boats, Reid suggests, “ I think it’s cool to have days like this where you can go out with some guy that really knows how to sail an awesome boat. This is really cool how many different boats there are here.”

And to strengthen what Clean is attempting with his recent OTWA videos, Finn, a 19 year-old 29er sailor suggests, “ Make more fast boats like these, and make more cool videos… without elevator music.”

There you have it, straight from the source(es). Every yacht club in the world should do what Richmond Yacht Club did this weekend so successfully. Have a Small Boat Day! Invite friends, bring the family, have a great day, that’s what it’s all about. I expect to see this place stacked next year.

And to all of the youth of this plugged-in society we live in, ponder this slogan that Timothy Leary coined in the 60s that I borrowed and changed.

Turn off, tune in, trap out. Loads more pics here.

Thanks RYC!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:43 pm 
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Thanks, Jeremy. Great article!
I believe that Mike Hammond has been doing something similar at the Mission Bay Yacht Club with the FJ sailers, only on a smaller scale.
I've never met you, but I hear your name mentioned from time to time. You enjoy a great reputation down here in S. CA.
Keep up te good work!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:20 pm 
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Just have to add that saw a whole new first when camping and sailing this weekend...

Campsite next to us had separate tent with TV and Xbox in it. They spent a whole day in a shooter game. Didn't even try to find out what. But got to hear it the whole time in camp! Boom! Tata tat tat! Doom! Great bass on their speakers too...

Beautiful lake, wonderful weather. Hey, let's go to the lake and play Xbox all day!

PS: Just saying that this, like jet skis, are what compete for attention with sailing. Nothing wrong with either. When done moderately. Not at the waterside. In a tent. Next to my campsite. With loud speakers. Just saying.


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