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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:39 am 
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what i understand of the "Pearl" its a 18 ft simple f-18 like platform. Roller furling spi and a bit smaller sail plan in dacron with reef points and center boards like the 21 or 17.

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hobie18rich wrote:
what i understand of the "Pearl" its a 18 ft simple f-18 like platform. Roller furling spi and a bit smaller sail plan in dacron with reef points and center boards like the 21 or 17.

your understanding is correct, the hooter is smaller than F18 spi, main and jib same area.

If "MAXIMUM LOAD" is total weight of the boat only, this thing's going to be not a pig, but a Hog.

I can't believe total crew PLUS boat weight equals MAX LOAD. 530 (240kg) minus let's say 285 crew is only 245 pounds for the boat...a "fun" boat? It won't be fast, it'll be a Rocket.

http://www.hcana.hobieclass.com/site/hobie/hcana/downloads/2008/HOBIECAPEARL_data_GB.pdf

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I apologize for me poor English (sorry, I am French :) )

Raid means, long trek. It’s more than just recreational.
The translation of the John Lunn is nice.

Have in mind that the official selling price is 15 177 euros (it’s quite expensive !!!)

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theomi wrote:
Have in mind that the official selling price is 15 177 euros (it’s quite expensive !!!)

Holy crap! that just over $19k. Might as well spend a few more bucks and get a Tiger.


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the pearl
http://www.hobie-cat.net/site_gb/html/e ... /cp15.html

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Pearl = Tiger w/roller furling, non-self-tacking jib and a hooter.

Now we know what HCE's plans are for the Tiger molds once they get their new F-18 up to speed.


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well...now I know what it weighs :roll:

Anyone else think a dumbed down Tiger can establish itself as a class in the US?

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The question is why buy a dumbed down Tiger. Just get a Tiger.


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I hope Hobie Cat learned there lesson with the H-18. Don't make too many variations because you will splinter the class and soon it will join the "dead boat society" :cry:

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DVL wrote:
I hope Hobie Cat learned there lesson with the H-18. Don't make too many variations because you will splinter the class and soon it will join the "dead boat society" :cry:


If they didn't learn it with
the 14 and the 14 Turbo,
the 18, the 18 Magnum, and the 18SX,
or the 17 and the 17 Sport.

They at least have been successful thus far in preventing it from happening with the 16 by not splitting off a 16 Spinnaker class, at least here in the USA.

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Karl Brogger wrote:
The question is why buy a dumbed down Tiger?

In a word: "wings."
In three words: to fly higher!


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You can put wings on the Tiger too. They just slip into the crossbars. It's the same exact setup as the FXone. I bet you'll be able to put wings on the new Hobie F18 as well, as it uses the old beams from the Tiger.


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I've never seen a Tiger with wings, but it sounds like a great idea, and I just discovered that there are three wing-styles in Hobie's on-line catalog. Thanks for pointing them out to me; now all I need is a Tiger.

But... is there a reason none of Hobie's pictures of sailing Tigers, nor any of the posted photos of Tigers I occasionally see on line, have wings? [I haven't searched hard.] Does no one buy them? Perhaps they're not class-legal, but they'd be great fun for free sailing. And they would make a huge improvement for long, windy crossings.

Wings aside [where else would they be, astern?], Hobie needs a good "raid" boat. I've been on four, week-long raids, three on 16's and one on a Tiger. Every trip had some boat-hardware problems [including dis-mastings] for at least a few of the five or six boats. The windier trips [Indian Ocean and Caribbean] had fairly severe ones, related to five or six successive days of sailing and beaching without [planned] stops at well-equipped shops for repairs. [In many of these kinds of destinations, there aren't well equipped shops, and most Hobie parts are thousands of miles away.]

I had the worst problems on the Tiger [which was, otherwise, a wonderful boat, the best I've ever sailed; it wanted only wings for the rough water.] After the first crossing, in a great wind, our leader managed to repair the hull [with a fiberglass patch], one shroud, the tramp, and the sail, all using parts and tools he carried on his 20-foot trimaran, while we camped on a desert island.

It was an exciting trip, but we were afraid to test the boat's limits in strong winds for the rest of the week.

Island-to-island raids, as described in an earlier post and practiced mostly by the French, may be the best possible use of Hobies, and I hope the Pearl will make them more feasible.


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The wings are not class legal to race as a tiger or f-18.
I raced the h-18 with or without wings, and prefered without unless it was a lond distance run. Trapping on and off the wing gets to be a pain. As afar as the durability of the tiger I've ran mine 2 seasons now and only broken 1 part. I love the boat.
Pearl is the same hulls, mast , tramp and standing rig. switch the daggers for center boards and the hooter for the spin.

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I've got wings for my FXone. I love them for screwing around. I don't think they really pay for racing unless the wind is blowing like stink. The extra weight you carry around slows you down to much to make the righting moment pay off. Fortunately for me the FXone is legal with or with out them, and being that I'm right at minimum weight the effects of the added weight aren't as much.


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