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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:06 pm 
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I just found the CAT44.com Site a bit ago and sent the guy an email. I hope to get a reply, I am scouring the internet for some way to learn to sail but I am limited to mostly the vicinity in which I live. I lack a drivers license (I have an identical twin so we just kind of shared.) I was planning on walking to Ft Lauderdale to learn but if there is no reason to go or room to learn I don't want to make the trek for naught.

If it is any help I've been canoing, kayaking, boating , surfing, all my life. just never sailing.

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Nah, sailing isnt like any of those things.

If you have a boat to use and have read as much literature as you can get, there is no reason you cant try your hand at sailing without a "teacher". Just make sure A) life jacket, B) light winds (this is REALLY key for the 1st time out), and C) be careful leaving/approaching your launch area

It would be best to do a lake the 1st time - ocean tides could potentially screw you over.


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You may end up buying a used "board boat"; a year on a Sunfish is never a bad idea


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Yeah, yeah, yeah... There are a lot of "sailors" out there who aren't much more than tugboat drivers.

My opinion - if you haven't paid dues on a deckboat or small dinghy, you ain't a Real sailor.


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The Dog wrote:
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You may end up buying a used "board boat"; a year on a Sunfish is never a bad idea


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Yeah, yeah, yeah... There are a lot of "sailors" out there who aren't much more than tugboat drivers.

My opinion - if you haven't paid dues on a deckboat or small dinghy, you ain't a Real sailor.


I've done plenty of time on johns and dinghys, just not with sails, everything from oars to motors to "oh (censored) we are out of gas man overboard, kick and push." now I want to try sailing.

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Oh, I've paid my dues. However, the above picture remains pertinent.


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Heaving your guts up sucks... happens to everybody one time or another. first time on a boat or a plane or whatnot.
Is this a good Hobie?

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/boa/1010525137.html

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Hard to tell how good that boat is. Its older for sure. Make the seller take you out for a sail and see if it really is "ready to sail".

Whether it is junked or not remains to be determined, however the model is still in production and ANY part of it can be replaced. HC 16 is a great boat!

Dont feel pressure to buy immediately, there are always good used hobies for sale - especially in FL.


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I noticed that, browsing the forums, hobies seem in demand all over the place except here, it seems like they are easy to get a hold of. I wrote emails to a couple of people and am going to see what i can learn and how.

Do you think that the Cat44 people will be at fort laudydaudy on sunday even though it is the superbowl? :?:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:22 pm 
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Brent,

There is a saying in sailing .... start by sailing a small boat and you will be able to sail a bigger boat, start by sailing a big sailboat and you will never be able to sail a small boat (well).

My family were powerboaters ... I purchased a Sunfish and sailed that on a small local lake for a year, stable, quick and easy to rig, alot of "time on the water". That is the most important thing ... "time on the water". Then I purchased a H16 .... a year later I purchased a H18 which is the class of Cat's I sail mostly to this day 26yrs later. So I DO like your taste in Cat's ...

Its hard to tell if that H16 is a "good" buy. It is priced in a reasonable range, the parts/pieces are worth that much ... maybe I'd offer $600.00 upon inspection (I'm a cheap bast_rd)

Trick: Lift one bow, see how long before the other bow lifts .... 6"to 1' is Ok in a used H16 or H18 .... you don't want a excessively loosie goosie boat.

All the advise given has been excellent. Walk the "Hobie" Beaches ... be friendly ... ask some questions .... you'll learn alot .... an make friends also

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 Post subject: Brett not Brent
PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:29 pm 
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Brett,

Sorry I mispelled your name ...

Register on www.catsailor.com There are alot of Florida sailors on that forum. Many of us here "post" on that forum also ... Rick White and Mary Wells run that forum and know EVERYONE .....

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 Post subject: Re: Brett not Brent
PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:48 pm 
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Harry Murphey wrote:
Brett,

Sorry I mispelled your name ...

Register on www.catsailor.com There are alot of Florida sailors on that forum. Many of us here "post" on that forum also ... Rick White and Mary Wells run that forum and know EVERYONE .....


awesome, I just registered and tossed up a topic to see if I get any hits, I hope so. Thank you very much for the help.

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Believe it or Nuts, I learned to sail on a sail board.

I was in San Diego with my girlfriend (who later became my wife TWICE...'nother story, 'nother time) when there was this CUTE girl in a bikinin down on the beach, giving sailboard lessons. Well, I had to have one.

Within half an hour I was hooked for life. I've sailed windsurfers, cats, mono-hulls, small. large, all from that one 1/2 hour lesson.

OK.OK..OK...you guys will blast me for this, but I tell people, there is only ONE thing you need to learn in order to sail:

You CAN'T sail directly into the wind.

Everything else is simply positioning the sail(s) to catch the most wind.

And of course, all the silly sailor jargon that makes us sound so smart and important!

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I hate to bash here but there is nothing difficult about learning to sail on a catamaran. To suggest a board boat or any monohull as required for basic skills is mad!!! My family, our entire neighborhood of kids, and most of the people I sail with learned to sail on a catamaran.

My niece started sailing lessons on a Sabot. If you are not from Southern California, think Opti. She was terrified. The boat was unstable both in direction and in platform. Only she could be in the boat because an adult added to the boat added to instability. She made one tack out and back and returned in tears.

Fast and Fun was in town so I took her there and explained to her that the boat would be faster but easier to sail. Five minutes later she was sailing around without help and was disapointed when it was time to leave.

I bought a wave to teach my kids and friends a short time later.

I have repeated this 5 minute sailing lesson on the beach with more than ten people in the last year alone. Only one learner needed help to get back to the beach; he capsized after trying to fly a hull (he saw other cats doing it and it looked fun), but he didn't have the weight to right the boat. I haven't seen a bigger grin on his face ever. After we righted the boat, he sailed me to shore and kept sailing until sundown. This was a 14 year old boy from Kentucky who had never seen a catamaran or any sailboat until he saw mine.

What I am trying to say is that catamarans are perfect learning platforms for basic sailing. What determines success is proper equipment (rigged correctly), a sheltered sailing area (few waves, lots of landing sights, you basic lake or bay), a mild day (6-10kts, warm air and water), and good instruction (and the ability to laugh at mistakes).

Catamarans are stable (initial stability), can carry a larger load, are able to self rescue, and responsive to sail trim (you have feedback on when it's right or not). Most of all, the fast boat is a fun boat.

One other note. Notice that I say proper equipment not beginner equipment. The Wave is a perfect family/kid boat, but it is not a "beginner boat". The Hobie Tiger is a High Performance boat. You can learn on the Tiger, but realize that you don't need to rig the spinnaker or tweak every line on the boat to learn the basics. On a performance boat, pick a mild day, proper crew weight, set all adjustments on the beach and only adjust/use the main sheet, jib sheet, and maybe the traveler. Add more skills/adjustments only after understanding the last set.

Of the current Hobie Boats, the 16 is still the best learning platform. Just enough not to be intimidating but plently of room to grow into.


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Hammond wrote:
I hate to bash here but there is nothing difficult about learning to sail on a catamaran. To suggest a board boat or any monohull as required for basic skills is mad!!! My family, our entire neighborhood of kids, and most of the people I sail with learned to sail on a catamaran.

My niece started sailing lessons on a Sabot. If you are not from Southern California, think Opti. She was terrified. The boat was unstable both in direction and in platform. Only she could be in the boat because an adult added to the boat added to instability. She made one tack out and back and returned in tears.

Fast and Fun was in town so I took her there and explained to her that the boat would be faster but easier to sail. Five minutes later she was sailing around without help and was disapointed when it was time to leave.

I bought a wave to teach my kids and friends a short time later.

I have repeated this 5 minute sailing lesson on the beach with more than ten people in the last year alone. Only one learner needed help to get back to the beach; he capsized after trying to fly a hull (he saw other cats doing it and it looked fun), but he didn't have the weight to right the boat. I haven't seen a bigger grin on his face ever. After we righted the boat, he sailed me to shore and kept sailing until sundown. This was a 14 year old boy from Kentucky who had never seen a catamaran or any sailboat until he saw mine.

What I am trying to say is that catamarans are perfect learning platforms for basic sailing. What determines success is proper equipment (rigged correctly), a sheltered sailing area (few waves, lots of landing sights, you basic lake or bay), a mild day (6-10kts, warm air and water), and good instruction (and the ability to laugh at mistakes).

Catamarans are stable (initial stability), can carry a larger load, are able to self rescue, and responsive to sail trim (you have feedback on when it's right or not). Most of all, the fast boat is a fun boat.

One other note. Notice that I say proper equipment not beginner equipment. The Wave is a perfect family/kid boat, but it is not a "beginner boat". The Hobie Tiger is a High Performance boat. You can learn on the Tiger, but realize that you don't need to rig the spinnaker or tweak every line on the boat to learn the basics. On a performance boat, pick a mild day, proper crew weight, set all adjustments on the beach and only adjust/use the main sheet, jib sheet, and maybe the traveler. Add more skills/adjustments only after understanding the last set.

Of the current Hobie Boats, the 16 is still the best learning platform. Just enough not to be intimidating but plently of room to grow into.


I totally agree. I learned on a Hobie 14. Also not to bash raceing but hobie points racing has turned off more of my friends to sailing than the opposite !!! In general most racers are to into the race aspect of sailing and never just go sailing, you know they might blow out their sails or break something on their boat.

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I recently read, and believe it to be true,

You can learn to sail in 20 minutes.

The rest of the learning curve involves trying to go faster.

<Grin>

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