Return to Hobie.com
Hobie Forums
It is currently Mon Sep 08, 2025 1:31 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:19 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:40 pm
Posts: 165
Location: Coushatta, LA
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:25 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2003 9:57 am
Posts: 1628
Location: Clear Lake Iowa
Wow, are WE lowbrow. Bet none of you can wait for Supertroopers II which IS being made for sure.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:37 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:20 am
Posts: 522
Location: Denver, Colorado
xanderwess wrote:
Am I a cat, boy?? Do you see me jumping all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree? Do you see me drinking from a sauser of milk? Eating a mouse?
Not so funny Meow.


I'm not sure, but I think maybe possibly he kinda could have been calling you a PUSSY ! :lol:

_________________
If the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, maybe it is time to water your own lawn.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Be safe out there
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:44 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:20 am
Posts: 522
Location: Denver, Colorado
Richard1 wrote:
This is a good time to mention to the Bismarck Dinius story. He was railroaded for sure, but my point here is the question of whether even proper lights were visible.


That story is sad in the beginning and very quickly turns into an absolute travesty of justice.
thankfully the jury did the right thing, but still one woman was killed and the man at the helm of the sailboat had his life turned totally upside down for three years.

The story, if you read it will scare the bejesus outta almost anyone that sails at night.

If and when I ever do any night sailing again I will have one of those million candle power spotlights so I can make absolutely sure that anyone close to me on the water KNOWS I am on the water.

Stephen

_________________
If the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, maybe it is time to water your own lawn.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:54 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:53 am
Posts: 232
Location: Storm Lake, IA
Little Wing wrote:
hobieandy wrote:
Richard1 wrote:
Sadly, someone will think this is a good idea.

It is a great idea! The sails glow! People from all around the lake can see your sails, and have told me its pretty cool looking! I would check your state laws to know what is required, but in Iowa a flashlight is all you need!



This is not true, you have to have red and green bow lights as well as a stearn light, in Iowa you also must have a flashlight.

apparently your correct! law either changed or I was misinformed! although I doubt I will change what I am doing.
Thanks for taking the time to look that up Jonny fact finder!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Be safe out there
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:34 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:45 pm
Posts: 1668
Location: Northfield Minnesota
MUST5429 wrote:
If and when I ever do any night sailing again I will have one of those million candle power spotlights so I can make absolutely sure that anyone close to me on the water KNOWS I am on the water.



If anyone like super good flash lights, Surefire's are the ticket. Mil-Spec stuff is da' bomb. The good models are actually capable of stunning people. Even the el' cheapo Surefires from Cabela's are crazy bright. http://www.surefire.com/ Stay away from strictly LED, they don't make them bright enough in a flashlight yet.

"......and that was the 2nd time I got crabs."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:29 am 
Offline
Site Rank - Old Salt

Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:10 am
Posts: 366
Location: Black Hills South Dakota
hobieandy wrote:
Little Wing wrote:
hobieandy wrote:
Richard1 wrote:
Sadly, someone will think this is a good idea.

It is a great idea! The sails glow! People from all around the lake can see your sails, and have told me its pretty cool looking! I would check your state laws to know what is required, but in Iowa a flashlight is all you need!



This is not true, you have to have red and green bow lights as well as a stearn light, in Iowa you also must have a flashlight.

apparently your correct! law either changed or I was misinformed! although I doubt I will change what I am doing.
Thanks for taking the time to look that up Jonny fact finder!



Actually I did not have to look it up, I have been on clear lake at night and know the laws i also hold an Iowa hunting license and know those rules also. I was in the US Navy and am proud to say I remember all that I learnened while in. Also I owned Macgregor 25 for many years and spent a few nights on the hook in gale force winds, and night sailing on my Hobie in big wind, done it with out lights and it is stupid. Murrays did have a night light kit for Hobie's and it works well. Just a note but once at our lake a guy was being a smart ass and was out with out lights and mouthed off to the lake cop got a big ticket, but worse he had the cops watching us very close the rest of the year.

_________________
Bodhisatfa


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:51 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:34 am
Posts: 34
xanderwess wrote:
So you're saying when we were half in the bag in 15 kt winds in Yankton sailing at 11pm with nothing but a glow stick, we were breaking the law?

Frankly, the law be damned. All I'm saying is common sense should prevail. So often it is not how you perceive. That pretty much decribes why the laws are as they are, ie, to standardize.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:55 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:34 am
Posts: 34
IndyWave wrote:
Is there a reason you think this is a bad idea?

Generally all that's required is a flashlight you can shine at oncoming vessels, as long as your boat is under 22ft and non-motorized.

I'm not advocating the bare minimum, but a flashlight-illuminated sail is much more visible than that. Certainly more visible than a glow-stick.

Yes, on the hierarchy of all things visible, a flashlight would seem to be more than a glow stick. However, my point is that even what you suggest may often not be enough to even minimally fulfill your objective.

The law--rules and regs--represents a basic minimum. Is that how you want to operate?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:58 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:34 am
Posts: 34
hobieandy wrote:
Little Wing wrote:
hobieandy wrote:
Richard1 wrote:
Sadly, someone will think this is a good idea.

It is a great idea! The sails glow! People from all around the lake can see your sails, and have told me its pretty cool looking! I would check your state laws to know what is required, but in Iowa a flashlight is all you need!



This is not true, you have to have red and green bow lights as well as a stearn light, in Iowa you also must have a flashlight.

apparently your correct! law either changed or I was misinformed! although I doubt I will change what I am doing.
Thanks for taking the time to look that up Jonny fact finder!
Auwe! Please rethink your position. At least when carrying passengers who put their trust in you.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:05 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:34 am
Posts: 34
Tom Machette wrote:
xanderwess wrote:
So you're saying when we were half in the bag in 15 kt winds in Yankton sailing at 11pm with nothing but a glow stick, we were breaking the law?



All right meow. Hand over your license and registration.
No. Go have fun. Have a blast. But by all means be safe. To be safe requires conscious thought, safety doesn't just happen. If all you do is float to and fro on some mill pond, go for it. But when sharing the waters with other boaters, it is your steadfast responsibility to actively do all you can to be prepared and ensure the safety of your crew and others on the water. Don't become a statistic. That implies planning before doing.

I'd be extremely upset if you caused an incident because of your willful disregard for the safety of my passengers and myself. There is no excuse for a callous disregard for water safety.


Last edited by Richard1 on Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:11 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:34 am
Posts: 34
Little Wing wrote:
In south Dakota you need nav lights on the bow, that means one red on one bow and one green on the the other, also a white light 3 feet off the water on the stearn, illuminating the sail is cool but that alone will get you a ticket in SD.
Marine activities have in common with aviation that rules and regs are written in the blood of someone before us. That is, a reg exists because of a past accident. Complying with the law is secondary to complying with the most safe and prudent course of action.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:50 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Admiral

Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:53 am
Posts: 232
Location: Storm Lake, IA
Richard1 wrote:
Auwe! Please rethink your position. At least when carrying passengers who put their trust in you.

I might add navigation and stern lights to be compliant with the law but why do you think bright glowing main sail is unsafe or risky?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:21 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:34 am
Posts: 34
IndyWave wrote:
I'm interested to know what you think IS adequate lighting,
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/Arcs.htm
Quote:
which can be seen from all quandrants,
I was speaking in context of having one light as opposed to" USCG regulation lighting"
Quote:
at any speed,
since light travels faster than any speed you could obtain does this really need tobe addressed?
Quote:
against any background,
Quote:
some lights don't blend and the standard lighting would better provide indication of existence and proximity of another vessel
Quote:
and cannot be mistaken for any other light source,
having provided the standard lighting, it is still up to the skipper to interpret what he is saying. That would be made more difficult by a vessel showing non-standard lighting. In the instance of a light upon a sail, it is improbable that another vessle would 1) see; 2) correctly interpret until collision in immenient.
Quote:
which also indicates tack and rhum(sic) line.
Come again. Calrification required.


Quote:
No, you can't just assume you're always visible to the other boater, you still have to act responsibly.
We agree. Where we don't agree is that a handheld flashlight shone upon a sail is adequate to present a visual awareness to another vessel. I'm drawing upon my experience as previously noted.

Quote:
But nothing will prevent a collision with a speeding drunken sheriff who has no regard for human life, and is defended by a corrupt District Attorney with no knowledge of boating laws.
In mentioning that event I was trying to point out that even standard lighting is sometimes inadequate. How much so a dim light upon a sail? Make no mistake, a flashlight, no matter how bright up close, will appear as dimly lit from a distance. If our closing speed was even as little as 10 kts, at what distance would you be comfortable that I 1)saw; 2) correctly interpreted that your vessel was away from me? The sooner the better is good, but I'm asking for a specific distance because it is my experience that a light upon a sail is capable for only a small distance. And that's me being optimistic.

Quote:
On my lake, one of our club members was hit by a pontoon boat, driven by a teenage girl who was so drunk she had passed out at the wheel. The lake patrol caught up with the boat, which continued on (her friends tossing bottles off as it went), and air-lifted her to the hospital for alcohol poisoning. Neither she nor her parents were charged with any crime.
I'm sorry to hear of this. And I cannot account for why she was not charged. I'm hardpressed to understand the relevence of this event to the discussion at hand. My metioning of the Bismarck Darius case was intended to point out the issue of lighting, not the drunkeness of the skipper(s).


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Navigation Lights
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:26 pm 
Offline
Site Rank - Captain

Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:34 am
Posts: 34
The quotes in my most recent post got screwed up. I have no explanation for that. My attempts to go back to edit resulted in "the page is expired". Therefore, I have been unable to edit into the correct format. My apologies.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
© Hobie Cat Company. All rights reserved.
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group