Loose pin or captive pin bow shackles?

Just my 2 cents but i put dibs on the wave leatheman tool!!

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The proper term for most of the shackles used on Hobie Cats is a "bow" (as in bow and arrow) shackle.
These are bow shackles:

This is its cousin, the D Shackle:


The D shackle is more likely to have a captive pin.

JJ- are you using these for the bridle on the FXone?

If you want to venture down crazy lane, get the shackles with the hole in the end of the pin and safety wire them. Wrap em' up in tape and they will not ever come loose. Usually if I snug them up with a Leatherman they're virtually impossible to remove with just a thumb and forefinger.

My plan for the bridle since that fork end is so odd was to just use a standard eye swage and then have the pin of the shackle go through the eye. Try and find the smallest possible shackle opening you can with the appropriate diameter pin.

On the other end do one with a fork and the other with a eye, chainplate over the outside of the fork with a shackle pinning the whole thing together. With the shackle haning down its a nice spot to use a hook for the line for pre-bending the spinnaker pole. Tough to explain and I don't have a picture but the Viper and Capricorn are rigged this way, super simple and clean. If I were to do it again I'd also buy Staymasters for the shrouds, and weld on a tab to mount a cleat for the spinnaker sheat.

You are being Naive !
F-18 NAC's in Virginia Beach a few years back. First Tack of the first race of the 3rd day of sailing, mast lays down.
After we get towed back to the beach and are setting the boat back up we find one other ring ding missing from the standing rigging.
We did NOT forget to put them on when we were rigging the boat. It sailed fine the first two days in much higher winds. Someone removed two ring dings from our boat while it was sitting on the beach overnight.
Since then, I tape all my ring dings on my standing rigging.

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We always taoe all rings. Used clip pins on rudder pins once, in lieu of cotter pins. Pin came out, broke rudder pin, had to go ashore to replace in middle of a race. Never again.

I have had pins and shakles removed from my hobies over the years when stored on the beach Sometimes they vibrate out and get loose The worst was a mast falling on my hobie 21 SE at Edisto Beach SC when persons unknown removed a pin
My solution is a hex SS bolt into the shakle and long enough to put a ss lock nut on the end. I have NEVER had this system fail or had it be tampered with. I can remove this with my CAT House Key or the wrench in the Hobie Hell Box
Gary Hobie 21SE

Sorry but a grainy, oversized pic. But this is one of things that gets done with a bow (as in bowtie) shackle on FX with spin pole, etc.

Since I couldn't get the bridles with that funny Euro fork, Karl, J made some with regular eye. Which take a shackle. You did some measurements, you recall. I am trying to stay off "crazy lane".

Main difficulty is racking. Even on the Wave, if you use the loose rig that a lot say is the "thing to do", there is a lot of the mast and shrouds racking back and forth.

This is similar to driving away from the house for vacation and wondering, "Did we cut the stove off" or something. You wonder, oh lord, are those things loosening up?

J Eaton, a halyard shackle wouldn't work.

The bow shackles make sense because they are tough. Highest break ratings, I believe. Just wondered if the "self locking" feature would bypass safety wire since there are enough things to do.

Just twiddling my thumbs, thinking about summer...

Just pointing out what the "self locking" feature is, and that it's not available on a bow shackle, only a captive pin.

+1...Bring it ON! Is there anyone who hasn't experienced a blizzard this year?

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Right here in Balmy Thunder Bay, only two significant snowfalls this year,no blizards.

I don't know anyone in the states that carries those eyes. They're really weird. Then they're put on a funky metric wire...that no one stocks here in the states either. I'm all about metric, but in the rigging world here in the US it hasn't caught on yet. I'm on the hunt so that maybe I could sell 4 more of them in the next 10 years.

I miss my FX. What to get next?

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You still selling the Ashby/Gelteks? The new one with the curved dagger boards is one sweet looking boat. When I grow up a bit I want an A.

JJ- what all do you have connected there? I can explain two, but the third is escaping me. That is on the FXone isn't it?

Wow I thought about moving south! Maybe I need to look north for less snow?

After reading your stories and soaking in your guys advice, I feel I am no longer naive, and will always check. I just learned my lesson the easy way.

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Sorry to be slow, Karl, but, yep, the pic is just out of the FX manual. Left to right is jib furler bridle, then pole support wire, then pole bridle.