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 Post subject: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:20 pm 
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I have a Hobie 14 turbo, normally I launch from an inlet here in Florida, which has the benifit of giving me 180 degrees of direction to have the boat pointed into the wind as I'm getting ready to shove off, But as I have gotten use to the boat I decided to launch from a closer beach and go through the waves and surf them when coming back in, but now for questions, When you are dealing with an off shore wind as I was the other day, while setting up I have bows on the beach and when I go to shove off and get going how do I turn the boat around without the wind catching the sails and capsizing the boat? I did it in light winds without hooking up the boom but when I was ready to hook it up the waves had me bouncing and it was not an easy task!

Coming back to shore with the off shore wind was easy (once on shore I was already pointed into the wind so I could take my time depowering sails) and after surfing the waves I I never wanna land on a beach with no waves again cause that was way fun. However just like my first question what do I do when there is an onshore wind when I am returning to the beach? Once I hit sand I wanna get pointed into the wind but with me not on the boat and standing beside it as soon as I get it sideways it would flip, I remember this from my first days of solo sailing at a calmer spot


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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:51 pm 
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If you want to play in the ocean, you have to be more critical of the days you go out, that's just the way it is. Straight onshore or straight offshore wind is far from ideal and can shut down sailing at a particular beach.

Light to moderate straight offshore wind should be doable as long as the wind on the beach isn't too obstructed by buildings, etc. If you have someone to help you launch, it can make things a lot easier. If the wind is strong and straight offshore, there isn't much you can do but have someone hold the boat for you to help you launch, or you just don't go out. You definitely don't want to launch without your mainsheet system hooked up. If anything, buy a longer mainsheet line, but trying to hook up your blocks out on the water is super tough.

Straight onshore wind, your biggest issue will be getting out if there are any waves to speak of. Punching through the waves and preventing getting turned sideways to the waves will be your biggest hurdles.

Knowing whether or not you can sail in certain conditions only comes with experience.

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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:05 am 
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When your beating downwind towards the shore you should be at an angle to both the wind and beach. You have to guage the water depth, pull your daggers if you have them, turn the boat upwind, release the mainsheet, jib sheets and pull your rudders up then let the wind back you towards shore. You will have to jump overboard and grab the bows to keep them turned to the wind (hence, guage the water depth). Don't let go of the boat! :shock: If your rudders stay up then you can walk it to the shore backwards. It's a lot to do in a very short amount of time so make sure everything is ready. It is difficult to do all of this by yourself but not impossible. When backing the boat to the beach, I've had the rudders drop and stop me but I just pull it back out a little bit then pull the boat past me, still keeping the bows to the wind, and pick up the rudders to the lock position. Then return to the bow and continue to the beach. I've done it myself many times at 10 mile beach south of Galveston, TX. It's deffinetly easier with two. Usually, if you sail with a group of boats there will be someone on the shore that will wade out to help. I always did if I was onshore taking a break from sailing and noticed someone coming in. :D As was stated in the previous post, you have to guage the weather, the surf and sail or not depending on your abilities. :o


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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:10 am 
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Flip57 wrote:
When your beating downwind towards the shore you should be at an angle to both the wind and beach.


Coming in through the surf at an angle to the waves is risky. You better have a full head of steam so you can outrun the waves or ride in on the back of one. If you get turned sideways to the waves, you could easily be broached and capsized.

If your beach doesn't have shorebreak (i.e., the waves are significantly smaller the closer in you get and not pounding on the beach), then you can let the boat round up at the very last second as the previous poster described. Then quick hop off, grab the bow to spin it into the waves, and quickly run to the stern and drag it up the beach.

If there's shorebreak, your better of just sailing it up onto the beach as far as it'll go and then when it stops, quickly jumping off the boat and dragging it up the beach.

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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:31 pm 
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Thanks for the help, It's st. augustine Beach which suprisingly doesn't have alot of boats launching from it. Luckily I grew up surfing here for over 20 years so I am very familiar with the bottm and wave breaks, I guess for the time being on single handed days I'll stick to the inlet until I get some experience practicing some of your advice

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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:34 pm 
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I would recommend NOT going out on offshore days because if you have ANY kind of problem you will be in big trouble. I've seen sailboats (and kayaks) get blown out to sea and have to be rescued by the beach patrol. Sideshore wind is the preferred wind direction for sailing on a beach with breaking waves. Onshore is hard to launch (you fight the incoming waves at an angle) but pretty easy to come back in with the swells and wind behind you. Breaking waves will get you sideways before you know it and that can spell disaster on a Hobie (even in small waves). Its really important to have good wind power when dealing with breaking waves. Lucky for us, Florida summers have plenty of sideshore wind and little swells. Surf in the am, sail in afternoon!


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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:47 am 
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After reading the forum for a while, I just joined it to pipe in on this post. It seems that 95% of people forget that these boats were created for people exactly like you; not to be one design racers and other blah blah blahs. If you have been surfing for 20 years, your instincts will take over. I’m also an avid surfer for 20+ years so I’ll speak in your language. It’s just like paddling a longboard out in head high surf; watching sets, waiting for the lulls, shoulder hopping, etc. The bigger it is the more you need the sets to be spread out. But you will need to be committed. I have singlehanded my 16 in a gusty 20kt offshore wind by mistake once but it never stopped my solo missions. With predominate sou’westers here, if we wait for anything other than offshore wind and heavy surf, we would never be able to go. The posts made by srm is right on but I’ll go a little more in depth.

First things first, your boat has to be well maintained. Especially if it is twenty-five years old, mine is. It will get beat up, but it is part of it and well worth it! If you fix your own surfboard dings, you are golden. To prepare it for the surf, some ideas for your rig is nylon rudder pins (better to shear them than the transom, it's ugly), working cam plungers with blue marine grease icing, cams prepped to be easily re-cocked, sails you don’t care about (I call mine my surf set), less than five year old anchor pins for 16's (the twisting will shear them just under the eye and de-mast you), and a tramp bag full of spare parts… You’ll quickly learn to buy two of everything.

I picked up tips from ex-Worrell 1000 sailors; try to hunt down the new breed, Tybee 500 sailors, for tips. They go through your town racing. Offshore wind is challenging for me so here goes. Everything might sound counter-intuitive. If your boat is a turbo, the jib helps pull the bows down and gives the boat drive. But watch for pearling bows. On the water’s edge, not in the water yet, car out and release the main so it is free. Spin the bows to sea until your opposite bow is starting to touch the water. You will be on the windward side so you can hold the boat down. Take a breather, get your head right, and watch the surf to pick your shot. Right before the surf starts to float the boat, drop the rudders and trim the main a little bit. Here we go! Finish the boat’s point into the surf. You are committed here so pick your set well. Your main has been pre-loaded and will help push off the beach. If you have a crew, and they slip, you have to leave them and come back. If you stop, the boat will pick up and slam backwards. As you finish turning downwind, push off and jump on going to your knees onto the trampoline. If the boat wants to go back to the eye of the wind, ease off the main. Power up as you gain speed to the lineup. Never go when the tide is going out, the surf is less manageable and will suck you into them. Lock the leeward rudder ASAP. Try to keep it down as you pass over the bars. The other, fluttering up-rudder will help you track. Stay away from feathering waves, it’s better to depower (but not fully) and let it break in front of you. As you enter the foam head on, perpendicular to it, shift all weight to the front cross bar (think of duckdiving). You can even stand up holding onto the mast in some cases, so you don't get swept off the trampoline. As it passes, lock the second rudder and gain as much speed as you can, quartering and shoulder hopping, as you go out. Repeat approach if you come across a sneaker set.

Let’s just say the wind shifted and it is now onshore as you return to the beach. Coming in on a beam reach, with speed, start to enter the lineup. Now turn your head around, not your hips, and look behind you to the ground swells approaching your stern. Start to catch the wave you pick and get hoots from the smiling folks in the lineup. Here you get to snake SUPers once and for all. As it closes out, sail into the slough and over the reform. Let the shorepound break in front of you and quickly sail onto the beach. Dump the wind from the sails. Your entire mission at this point is to jump off, get to the front crossbar, and drag the boat up while it is still somewhat floating in the skim. When you’re not floating anymore and the boat naturally wants to weather-vane around or blow over, go with the boat into the wind. If you leave the rudders kicked up in the shore break; say bye bye to your rudders slamming side to side.

Try to run these scenarios in your head, off and on, for a few days or weeks. Write it out or draw a picture of it. Don’t try it tomorrow. A pro golfer can't tell you how to swing and you automatically know it. Don’t be anxious or nervous about it. You’ll find riding that bike w/o training wheels is pretty easy… and FUN! Eddie Would Go!!


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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:16 pm 
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After I posted, I thought of two more things.

Accidental jibes. Most of the time if I have an accidental jibe, I'm careless. In the surf, sometimes it just happens. Same scenario: offshore wind, heading out. If the surf is all rights, you wanna head more or less left for the shoulders. Always steer away from the sail when wave starts to pick you up. That way if the boat pitches up and yaws it'll stay that way. If you steer or let the boat get turned into the sail, with your eyes closed from the whitewater, you will never see the boom swinging across. That's another reason to shift forward, it won't hit you blind. As soon as the broken wave passes you, steer back for the shoulders.

Never have the sheet cleated. You can try to have the longer mainsheet as mentioned, but this has happened to me before: After wiping the water from my eyes and gaining my bearings after a duckdiving one, I couldn't figure out why the boat was starting to fly; the mainsheet, in between the blocks, somehow got caught under the rear corner casting. That is not how you want to fly a hull! With a lucky slide down the tramp and a couple of stomps of my foot, I was able to free it. So I try to keep the distance between the blocks as short, manageable, as i can and have the car travelled out.

I hope these posts helps you because Hobie cat surfing is super fun!


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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:32 pm 
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Thanks again For the help. I'm currently getting more confident on this boat but in my experience thats when I start to make spupid mistakes, so that being said I get using old sails and my boat is in mint condition, hulls even look new and Tramp is new so id all rigging, but seeing how shallow the beaches are here for so far off shore, in the event of a pitchpole will rigging give way? I'd much rather by new rigging for $100 then a new mast at $1500


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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:46 pm 
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Here's some lost people. Poor guys....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONoAMp508Y

In answering your latest questions, that's the most important thing that everyone has stressed. Pick your days. Know your limits and be safe. I've got complete confidence in ya.

I've collected some videos of some different stuff that I think you'd like to watch.
http://2010.archive.hobiecat.com/media/video/video_story.html There's a kid pushing a 14 off and some cool vintage sailing. Plus it's a Bruce Brown clip. 'Nuff said.

http://2010.archive.hobiecat.com/sailing/racing/video_hobie40th.html Watch about 3/4 the way through. Starting with one in the trap and got the dog with them. Classic.

What happens on a pitchpole? Will the rigging fail? Here are the experts go to 6:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPX3wePeKX4&feature=related. Take it easy. You're not out there for pictures to be taken. Nor are you sponsored by Hobie.

This is the extreme. The Worrell was a fun race to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNdz2RTyTqg&feature=related Those guys were animals. It started with 16's but they made the race too big. Rumor was bad corporate sponsers, big Nacras, and wishy washy prize money was getting away from what it was and made it a thing of the past. But the sailors were amazing. I made a point to go watch them round Diamond Shoals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNhcy4WAvyM :40 sec, watch them set out with a spin. Onshore wind returns to the beach too.


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 Post subject: Re: Beach Launching
PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:16 pm 
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I just did an article on this http://surfsidesailing.wordpress.com/

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