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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:54 pm 
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I'm waiting for the new dodger's for the TI, when is that coming?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:57 pm 
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Yakaholic71 wrote:
I'm waiting for the new dodger's for the TI, when is that coming?


Available now - contact a dealer - the bulletin just went out to all dealers...

Part numbers are:
Part Description Retail
72721001 KAYAK DODGER / SILVER $139.00
72722001 KAYAK DODGER / RED $139.00
72730002 DODGER – ISLAND / SILVER $179.00
72730004 DODGER – ISLAND / RED $179.00

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:29 am 
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Jbernier wrote:
Yakaholic71 wrote:
I'm waiting for the new dodger's for the TI, when is that coming?


Available now - contact a dealer - the bulletin just went out to all dealers...

Part numbers are:
Part Description Retail
72721001 KAYAK DODGER / SILVER $139.00
72722001 KAYAK DODGER / RED $139.00
72730002 DODGER – ISLAND / SILVER $179.00
72730004 DODGER – ISLAND / RED $179.00


Wow ! some great stuff from Hobie ! Any plans for Hobie to make Hakas ? - dune, yellow, and red ? After that, they can call it a day .. :D


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:10 am 
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hjdca wrote:
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Wow ! some great stuff from Hobie ! Any plans for Hobie to make Hakas ? - dune, yellow, and red ? After that they can call it a day .. :D
One more: give us a 7-meter sail to fit the AI's mast... Big winds-little sail... little winds-big sail... ask any windsurfer...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:27 pm 
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I am installing the new kit new on my 2015 Tandem Island. One big note to be aware of is that the rear deck of the Tandem island is much shorter than the AI. When mounting the cheek block on the hull, you have very little room to mount the cheek block just after the plate to make sure you have a good angle going to the Harken single pulley... Watch that angle.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:01 pm 
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Test drove the new reacher for the first time today. Very fun. I was pleased with how easy it was to deploy and snuff. It is actually easier once the sail is a bit wet. The best part is the sleigh ride feeling you get once this sail is deployed. Happy with the purchase.

Now the negatives. I had the main's batons catch the reachers halyard a few times. It did not prevent me from reefing the main though, just wound the halyard around the main sail and made reefing the main slightly more difficult. This can probably be remedied by trimming down the baton a bit. No big deal.

I became spoiled with the quick sail snuffing and began to tire of bringing down the jib to fly the reacher each time. I also began to tire with dealing with all the lines - jib, reacher and main. Something has to go. I miss the old simplicity. If I had to choose, I would drop the jib but - I may experiment with just leaving the jib up next time and see if that creates any problems for the reacher. I was also using jib sheets instead of the self furling and that was a mistake. Gotta keep it as simple as possible.

I found that my trisailed AI1 was ALMOST able to keep up with a TI today. Maybe with a bit more practice I could beat one - until they put a reacher on theirs!

All in all a wonderful addition to the AI.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:17 pm 
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That's good to hear Vetgam.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:21 pm 
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Here is a picture of the how the reacher's halyard was getting wound up on the mainsail.


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Here is a video giving a first person view of what it is like to sail with the reacher. While taking the video with my phone I tended to slow down because I wasn't maximizing my angle to the wind but you get an idea what it was like.



Sorry about the radio racket!

Working on images....

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:41 pm 
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hjdca wrote:
I am installing the new kit new on my 2015 Tandem Island. One big note to be aware of is that the rear deck of the Tandem island is much shorter than the TI. When mounting the cheek block on the hull, you have very little room to mount the cheek block just after the plate to make sure you have a good angle going to the Harken single pulley... Watch that angle.



I also installed the new kit on my 2015 Tandem island today, I have my main set up for 3:1, in doing that it leaves the lower cheek block at the rear not used, so I ran my spinnaker halyard through it and it makes a perfect fit, the halyard runs right over the steal plate....


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:20 pm 
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PeteCress wrote:
hjdca wrote:
Jbernier wrote:
Wow ! some great stuff from Hobie ! Any plans for Hobie to make Hakas ? - dune, yellow, and red ? After that they can call it a day .. :D
One more: give us a 7-meter sail to fit the AI's mast... Big winds-little sail... little winds-big sail... ask any windsurfer...

Pete, you have to let go of the windsurfer mentality.. you now have a furling mast, three hulls and pedals. You can vary the sail area using the furler. Nobody would buy a second mainsail for an Island.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:54 pm 
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vetgam wrote:
Here is a picture of the how the reacher's halyard was getting wound up on the mainsail.

http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/offsh ... g.html?o=0


Here is a video giving a first person view of what it is like to sail with the reacher. While taking the video with my phone I tended to slow down because I wasn't maximizing my angle to the wind but you get an idea what it was like.



Sorry about the radio racket!

Working on images....

Thanks Greg!

I guess it would be easiest to furl the main before furling the reacher to Avoid that wrap of the "halyard"

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:39 am 
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Thank you for the report !!! It looks very encouraging. My spinnaker will be delivered next week and I'm looking forward to installing it. I'll be sure to trim the batons before taking it out to avoid tangles. Curious since you still have a jib, how did you integrate your mast topper with Hobie's spinnaker topper. I sometimes miss flying a jib but hear you about simplicity.

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I found that my trisailed AI1 was ALMOST able to keep up with a TI today. Maybe with a bit more practice I could beat one - until they put a reacher on theirs!
Heck Greg, you wouldn't even need a spinnaker to beat a TI if you had an AI2 :wink: They're a cinch to beat with an AI2 especially when you can pedal. I have not lost to one yet. The downside is the sore neck you get looking back wondering where they're at. :lol: Of course this only applies to the "Red" AI2's.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:37 am 
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tonystott wrote:
Pete, you have to let go of the windsurfer mentality.. you now have a furling mast, three hulls and pedals. You can vary the sail area using the furler. Nobody would buy a second mainsail for an Island.
The roller reefing is one reason that I would buy a larger sail in a heartbeat - and if it fit on the existing mast (either with or without a tip extension) and were between 7 and 7.5 meters in size, I cannot come up with any reason why I would not use it 99% of the time.

What would be the downside be of an extra meter - given the ability to roller reef on-the-fly? .... Only thing I can think of is overloading the mast if somebody with enough body weight were hiking out on the tramps... But I stay in the main hull and ama submarining seems to self-regulate mast loading.

Winds 15 mph and under - seems like an extra meter or so of sail can't be anything but good.

Steady 20, gusting into the 30's - *maybe* I would rig the stock sail if/when I found out that the degree of reef necessary unduly compromised something like pointing ability. .... But I have been out when it is gusting to 40 and reefing kept things under control. ..... Windward ability went down the toilet... but I was able to reach back-and-forth with no problems.

Seems like people are dropping the big bucks on the reacher... so why not on a larger main to get a comparable (???) increase in speed on all tacks while preserving the simplicity that is such a desirable part of the AI experience?

Also, I would think there are a significant number of people that are or soon will be shopping for replacement sails - at least the sail I have is looking kind of ratty after less than a full season's use. ..... The materials and needlework in mine fall far short of the the standard of windsurfing sails composed of better materials at the same price. ..... Plain Dacron?.... It's something out of the mid eighties...

OTOH, for all I know, maybe the more stable/long-lasting/less-bag-prone materials make too much noise when the sail is flogging. .... Either way, though, there has to be a replacement market - either already there or developing.

But I do take your point: that I need to let go of windsurfing.... and I am working on that. This will be my first full season post-windsurfing and, hopefully, withdrawal will be complete by next fall.... -)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:26 am 
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Tony the entanglement of the reacher halyard (never backstay so far) is occurring after the reacher has already been snuffed. Furling the main first woudn't help. It appears that because there is some slack, spare line in the halyard, it is enough to still allow it to wrap around the main without creating a main furling crisis as Fusioneng spoke of.

I found the setup and take down of the rigging was easy as long as you trailer the boat and can leave all the lines in place.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:46 am 
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I'm just wondering if there would be an advantage to wrapping a couple loops of spectra (Hobie grey rudder line) around the rudder gudgeon, then clip the rear pulley for the rear stay line back there instead, would give you a little better angle trying to avoid the battons on the main. It's probably still a good idea to shorten the battens a little anyway (it's simple to do, just unlash the caps, saw a little off the end (I think I sawed off about an 1 1/2" off mine), then just lace them back down. If you still concerned you can always cover with tape as well (likely not neccessary to tape the battons).

Greg:
You might want to try an el-cheapo roto-furler for your jib, and see if you like it. It takes about 30 minutes to make and costs maybe $5 bucks in materials. It should work with any jib sail (even non furling types, as long as they don't have strong battons in the jib).
The way mine works is I have a hollow tube (you can use 1/2" dia PVC pipe (about 17 ft long on a TI), run a rope up thru the center with a clip on the bottom and a clip on the top ( I used 1/4" dia low stretch line). Drill a couple small holes near the edge of the PVC near where the bottom and the top of the jib attachment points, wrap some line ( I use grey spectra rudder line) thru the hole around the mast, then thru the eyelets on the jib (doesn't need to be tight). That spectra is at least 500 lbs test, so a couple loops will be plenty strong.
The PVC furlers are super simple, just a 6" or 8" length of 1.5" pvc two caps with a hole drilled in the center of each cap (to fit over the mast pipe). You then drill a small hole in the center of the PVC, then another hole thru the cap (next to the mast). Just feed some paracord thru the holes and tie to the mast or bottom of the sail so the mast spins when you pull the single line on the furler. If you have difficulty with the furler line running off the top or bottom of the furler, you can always just add a couple cheap plastic tea cup saucers with a 1.5" dia hole cut in the center as guides.
Once setup you should be able to furl any jib or spinnaker at will as you need them in under 30 seconds. The best feature is you can partially furl the jib as winds pick up, (I can also do that with my spinnaker).
Here is a pic of my setup with the PVC furlers (under $25 bucks for the whole works,,, two furlers)
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I'm glad to hear the Hobie Spin kit works great (it's about time 6 yrs too late), and it can be launched and snuffed easily and fast. At least on my setup I can launch my spin with the jib furled, and the sails don't interfere, then when I switch to upwind I wind up the spin and let the jib out (takes all of 30 seconds) to switch back and forth or just pull out what I need for the moment. If I'm on a broad reach I often have all three out.
Hey everyone can do as they please, everyone appears to be perfectly satisfied with just the single mainsail ( mine was the only boat out there with big sail sets for many years, everyone laughed at me, and I was rediculed badly). Truth is everyone appears to be satisfied goin 3mph in light winds, the problem I have is if I got 50 miles to cover in the 90f plus florida sun, I get heat exposure goin 3 mph, I much prefer 8-10 mph cruise speed (I get a nice breeze).
To each their own, just do whatever works for you, and rig to fit the most common conditions you encounter. I don't really care what anyone else does or thinks. I only share because I was asked to.
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