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 Post subject: Rudder cam screws
PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:43 pm 
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Anyone have any good ideas on how to get these to come out? They were rounded before I even touched them got new pieces in hand for entire setup. Kinda stuck at the moment ImageImage

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 Post subject: Re: Rudder cam screws
PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:14 pm 
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Drill it out with a 5/8” drill and then chase the threads with a 3/4”-10 tap (or buy a 3/4” bolt from home depot, cut a notch or two in the end with a flat file, and use that to clean the threads). Before you do that, drill out the rivet and pull the cam, spring, and plunger out so they don’t get damaged from the drill.

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 Post subject: Re: Rudder cam screws
PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:49 pm 
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drill out... then heat.... then left hand "easy-out"?


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 Post subject: Re: Rudder cam screws
PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:29 pm 
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srm wrote:
Drill it out with a 5/8” drill and then chase the threads with a 3/4”-10 tap (or buy a 3/4” bolt from home depot, cut a notch or two in the end with a flat file, and use that to clean the threads). Before you do that, drill out the rivet and pull the cam, spring, and plunger out so they don’t get damaged from the drill.

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The Cams were apparently upgraded to the flat head pins and wont move(assuming because to much pressure from the screw?) Dont want to risk rounding those out to, As soon as I get the old ones out new hardware all lots of marine grease.

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 Post subject: Re: Rudder cam screws
PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:05 am 
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This is a common issue with these old delrin screws. They get frozen in place and the exposed section crumbles when you try to unscrew them. I've seen someone post once that they heated up a screwdriver, stuck it in, let it cool, and then twisted it out, but most of us have had to drill them out.

The unfortunate part is that Hobie no longer supplies the screws or the springs for the old style system. Fortunately, the rudder return system from Murrays (essentially bungie cord around the rudder) keeps the rudders down even with a cam system that no longer functions.

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 Post subject: Re: Rudder cam screws
PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:13 am 
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srm wrote:
Drill it out with a 5/8” drill and then chase the threads with a 3/4”-10 tap (or buy a 3/4” bolt from home depot, cut a notch or two in the end with a flat file, and use that to clean the threads). Before you do that, drill out the rivet and pull the cam, spring, and plunger out so they don’t get damaged from the drill.

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Thank you for the advise it went well and all fixed now

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 Post subject: Re: Rudder cam screws
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:41 pm 
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srm wrote:
Drill it out with a 5/8” drill and then chase the threads with a 3/4”-10 tap (or buy a 3/4” bolt from home depot, cut a notch or two in the end with a flat file, and use that to clean the threads). Before you do that, drill out the rivet and pull the cam, spring, and plunger out so they don’t get damaged from the drill.

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The local shop only had threaded rod when I was doing this.

One end has a cross cut into it with the angle grinder for cleaning out the thread.

The other end has been turned into a 3/4" flat screwdriver that fits the new screw perfectly

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 Post subject: Re: Rudder cam screws
PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:28 pm 
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SabresfortheCup wrote:
The unfortunate part is that Hobie no longer supplies the screws or the springs for the old style system


Springs and Delrin screws are still available.

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