MBounds wrote:
RHoughVYC wrote:
No need to flaunt your credentials. I am race officer too and I've stayed at a Holiday Inn.
IMO the idea of discussions like this IMO is so we can all see other points of view and perhaps learn something.
I agree, and I'm sorry I did that - but you were bucking a very established principle. It's important to understand that rule 18 applies at
every mark (except at a start, and some very limited other circumstances) - including the two marks that make up a gate.
Thanks ... I would try that move gate or not.
It is hard to catch but after watching this frame by frame what I think happened is:
Black was chasing Red (both on port) to the right mark of the gate. Black was not aware of Blue coming in on stbd.
Black has to keep clear of Red (Black is Clear Astern) Red Gybes, Black has to slow to keep clear of Red and starts her own gybe. In the middle of Black's gybe Blue blankets Black and sails past before Black starts to accelerate after her gybe.
Could Black have altered course and made contact with Blue (while keeping clear of Red)? I don't think so. I think Black was so focused on Red that they were surprised when Blue went by. Black was down speed and Blue did not prevent her from making any maneuver. I don't think Black had any chance of passing Red at that mark. So the options become following in place or looking to defend so you don't get passed. Note that Red was far enough away from the mark Blue had plenty of room to make a good rounding. I infer that Black (in Red's wake) was also far enough away from the mark to allow Blue to round without a foul. I think that if Black was aware of Blue they would have gybed earlier and not have left Blue room to round the mark. Black might lose a boat length or two to Red, but by not being aware and defending that mark Black not only lost the distance to Red but 2-3 places on the water. It is almost impossible to gain a position by playing follow the leader.
Assuming this was a higher level event and everyone knew the rules the fact that Black did not protest Blue is important to me. If they thought they were fouled they would have protested. They didn't.
I'll have to study cases at gates to become more familiar with the rules involved. I now know there is one more thing to add to the list of things I don't know ... so I learned something.
mmadge wrote:
Now onto a new discussion.Why is the Class so adamant about using Wire for the Trap lines as opposed to a high tech line?
Not sure on that one. I was the one that brought the Rule Committee's attention to the loophole that someone was trying to exploit by shortening their wire traps to 6" and having the rest be synthetic. I'd be in favor of synthetic trap wires, but there are issues with them (fraying, creep) that I don't think the factory wants to deal with.[/quote]
There is no compelling reason to change from wire and a few reasons not to change. (I'm a retired rigger for whatever that might be worth)
I think boats would be slower with high tech line for trap wires so I don't see a reason to rule against using high tech line.