Swfinatic wrote:
When you say "moderate amount of fabrication" what do you mean? When I clicked on the link you provided and looked at the Groovy Landing gear parts in the picture they are identical to what I installed on my 2016 PA 14. I did have to raise the H-rail so the landing gear cross bar would slide under the H-Rail but BoonDox provides spacers for this. Also I did have to move the paddle holders but there was not fabrication required to install the Groovy landing gear on my PA 14 other than drilling 4 holes to mount the bar.
I thought I submitted a response a couple of days ago. It must have went into Limbo. If it pops up there will be two seperate posts regarding this response.
Oi, before I started the install I watched a ton of videos on installing the BooneDox Landing Gear (BLG) to Hobie PA's but mostly on the Outback because that seems to be a more popular in U-tube videos. In my research I found that the BLG has gone through several tweaks to its hardware over the last few years. I would imagine that Hobie hulls and decks are also seeing some changes forcing BooneDox to have to keep up to any changes.
When I received the kit from BooneDox I found hardware included that had I had not observed in any of the videos I watched. The difference was in the backing plates and brackets used to attach the BLG knuckles to the kayak. The backing plates are now longer and the brackets have been replaced. In the videos watched, the BLG knuckles were attached tot he backing plates with "guskets." In the kit I received for the PA there are no guskets. There are L brackets.
I wanted to mount the BLG directly behind the seat where the raised rib travels the width of the kayak. I am not sure if the deck and H-rail is different on the 2020 PA's or if I just could not figure out a work around but the 2020 PA deck and BLG seemed incompatible.
The length of the new backing plates and the L brackets that come with the BLG prohibited mounting the BLG directly behind the seat along the rib where I wanted it. The shape of the deck, the length of the backing plates and the L brackets forced me to mount the BLG about 3" to the rear of the rib behind the seat and several inches from the edge of the kayak hull. This is right where the rod holder, screw in paddle holder, and pad eye is located. This are is also several inches below the edge if the kayak where the knuckles have to be. I placed the knuckles onto the kayak and the backing plates in the location for install. I then attached the L brackets to the knuckles using the track system. When this was done there was a significant gap (several inches) between the base of the L brackets and the mounting plates on the kayak. This was a 'yuge' gap. Something would need to be manufactured to fill the gap between the L brackets and the attachment points to the kayak. Last, with the knuckles now 3" or so behind the rib, it is now near the end of the H-rail that I had to unscrew from the kayak in order to slide the knuckle onto the edge of the kayak. With the knuckles in place there is a good 1 1/2" gap between the screw point for the H-rail and the attachment point to the kayak. The 1/2" spacer with the BLG is not even close enough to filling the gap. I was going to have to manufacture another spacer, buy one, or cut the H-rail and re-drill.
Hopefully my description is somewhat clear. What it comes down to is that if this BLG kit is used on a 2020 PA there will need to be a significant amount of manufacturing at the install point and with the H-rail. I did not observe these two specific issues in any of the videos I watched prior to attempting to do the install. I could have manufactured a work around but with a brand new kayak I was reluctant to do a slice and dice on the deck and H-rail. I kind of got a feeling that the 2020 PA deck is just a little bit different from the Hobie PA deck BooneDox used to design the BLG and that any design change that has occurred over the last few years to the PA deck has not yet caught up to BLG product development. It is a shame because the PA 14 is heavy and those wheels would have been amazing.