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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:50 pm 
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Jeremy - that looks like a great solution! 8)
Is there any chance that the pvc pipe could accidentally slip off the end of the roof rack bar - or have you devised some way to ensure it is secure, yet easy to remove when you pack it up??
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I haven't had an issue with it popping off the roof rack, but It could happen. My thought was going to be to

A: Tie a piece of rope around the roof rack and the pvc pipe
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B: Drill a hole into the PVC pipe near the roof rack and tie the pipe to the rack with string
or
C: Drill a hole and use a velcro strap to hold it to the rack

I'm open to ideas too, the Aussies on their forum used just a piece of pvc pipe sticking off, drilled a couple holes in the pipe and tied it to the rack when loading and unloading. I felt safer adding the T to the ground.


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The problem of carrying the Adventure Island on the roof racks is two fold. One getting it up on the racks in the first place easily and safely, and two how to carry and secure it.
I solved the problem in getting it up by purchasing a Rock 'n Roll bar for my Thule sports bars but found like Chrisj posted earlier, it is a difficult job to get the hull up in the already inverted state. The boat wants to turn over and if you can manage that there is the real concern of damaging either the car or the roof bars with the aka braces. The easier method was to lift it up right way up then invert it up there. This in itself led to damaging the rubbers in the bars as I re-positioned the inverted hull on the racks for balance. Not a happy camper.
This led me to lifting the boat right way up and tieing it down in that state with Hobie straps. Great way to do it except that the pressure from the tight straps forced the bottom to distort where it came in contact with the roof bars. I carried it around like this a couple of times but did not like the possible consequences of hull distortion or worse over an extended period.
I looked at the dedicated kyak 'clamps' but I don't think they are really suitable for the AI hull, and restricts the racks being used for carrying other stuff.
Now my solution which I have trialled for a couple of weeks and several trips of several kilometers is to built two soft 'Pirate Pillows' that go between the hull and the racks. These both support the hull across all its full width and take the pressure when the straps are pulled down tight without any distortion of the hull. They also provide grip between hull and racks and I have only needed to secure the hull with the hobie straps and not secured it front or rear so far. I may tie a front bow strap down to the car for the 200 mile trip to Mallacoota on the weekend, just to be safe.

Both ' pirate pillows' are made out of the insulation foam tubing that is commonly used in the air conditioning industry. It is reasonably inexpensive easily obtainable. The foam is very durable in this application and will not hold a memory and will take its original shape after a short time of a load being taken off it. The foam tubing I used is approx. 110mm in diameter and 30mm in section and slit down its length so it will fit over each rack. Each 'pirate pillow is 530mm in length with additional width at the ends with an additional 100 mm of the foam tubing super glued to the one below effectively giving it a thickness of 60mm there. The superglue loves this stuff and is instantly glued on contact. Now this arrangement with 60mm thickness on the ends for a 100mm then 30mm in the centre is just perfect for the shape of the bottom of the hull at the areas where the roof racks will be.
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The above is a diagram shows its shape. Here are some photos of it on my car. You need to pull down tight on them to compress the foam after which the hull will not move around at all.
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The above shows the pirate pillows immediately after the boat has been removed. The foam very quickly goes back to original shape.
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You can even use these very same pirate pillows on your storage racks like I do.
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I strap the two amas together face down on the same racks beside the hull using two more Hobie straps for which there is plenty of room
So far I am very happy with this inexpensive fix, approx $40 total, which allows me the freedom to carry the boat upright allowing me to leave the seat and some gear in the boat without salt water dripping all over the car on the way home from a great day out Hobie Adventure Islanding...Pirate :wink:


Just thought I would repeat this item as the pirate pillows are a real winner. No need to ever go to the trouble and drama of inverting the boat up on the racks ever again and possibly damage the rubber rack inserts when you can just build some pirate pillows and travel with her right way up. Just back from Mallacoota, some 300 ks away from Bairnsdale. On the way down I put a bow line attached to the car grill just to be sure, with no movement at all at 100kph. On the way back, removed the front line, again no movement at all. The boat travels like a dream without front or back lines, no hull distortion when pulling the straps down tight, and soooooo easy to load. Also not nearly as much salt water gets on the car as dont have dripping seat etc. which you can leave in the boat. An all round fantastic success and I highly recommend car toppers make themselves a set of two. Mickey even suggested using them as real pillow on our camping trip as they would work for that purpose too... Pirate :wink:


I have my Thule R/Rack installed and have made my Pirate Pillows as per Pirate's instructions. :D
Very easy to cut using a sharp bread knife. If you want to make the cuts really clean, just freeze the foam first. :wink:
I used liquid nails rather than super glue - simply because of the size of the area to be glued and because I already had a tube of liquid nails open. :wink:
Mickey


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Good work Mickey and I have continued to use mine with no problems whatsoever. I'm sure you'll now sleep easy knowing you now have your 'pirate pillows'....Pirate :D :D


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:38 am 
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If you keep it on the bottom it will distort to the point of no return. I just bought a used AI. The owner stored it on a trailer, bottom side down, against carpeted 2x4s. The bottom did distort. Hobie recommended putting air into it and heat it to get the distortion to pop out. That failed. I ended up pouring hot, 5-7 gal of boiling water inside the AI while pressing the distortion out with a piece of wood. I was able to get most the distortion out.

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My Island is new and in preparation for the new baby's arrival I purchased a set of Thule aluminium roof racks with a wing profile. Good stuff and rated at 70 kg carrying capasity minimum.

I have used the boat a couple of times now and am getting experience in getting the boat on and off the racks. Firstly I carried her inverted but yesterday I have experimented in carrying her the right way up. Tensioning her down with the Hobie straps I see a slight amount of distortion where the hull flattens out on the rack- bars. It is easier for me to get her on and off this way one-up, and the boat travelled very well on top without and movement at all. My question is will continual transportation of the boat in this manner with hull being forced to flatten out a bit have any detrimental or long term affect on the integrity of the hull? ....Pirate


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:44 am 
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If you keep it on the bottom it will distort to the point of no return. I just bought a used AI. The owner stored it on a trailer, bottom side down, against carpeted 2x4s. The bottom did distort. Hobie recommended putting air into it and heat it to get the distortion to pop out. That failed. I ended up pouring hot, 5-7 gal of boiling water inside the AI while pressing the distortion out with a piece of wood. I was able to get most the distortion out.

Pirate wrote:
My Island is new and in preparation for the new baby's arrival I purchased a set of Thule aluminium roof racks with a wing profile. Good stuff and rated at 70 kg carrying capasity minimum.

I have used the boat a couple of times now and am getting experience in getting the boat on and off the racks. Firstly I carried her inverted but yesterday I have experimented in carrying her the right way up. Tensioning her down with the Hobie straps I see a slight amount of distortion where the hull flattens out on the rack- bars. It is easier for me to get her on and off this way one-up, and the boat travelled very well on top without and movement at all. My question is will continual transportation of the boat in this manner with hull being forced to flatten out a bit have any detrimental or long term affect on the integrity of the hull? ....Pirate


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Hi AJW. I have had my 'pillows' for a couple of months now with no distortion problems. Mine is always on its hull with deck upward both when stored and transported. Carpet on wood is inappropriate being hard and unforgiving on the soft polyethylene materials used whilst the foam absorbs most of the weight and pressure on the hull. I am sure the problem of distortion is exacerbated when the tie-down straps are pulled down tight, so it is important to release them whenever possible. I will report again on this when the pillows have done their work for another 6 months or so.....Pirate


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Yep, storing it flat on anything hard is bad. I've seen many of the designs for supports and thought it would be a fun project to build my own. But, I broke down and I'm ordering the actual Hobie cradles.


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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 10:17 pm 
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Just realized this thread existed.

Has anyone experienced distortion of the hull from using the Thule Saddles? I just bought a 96 Honda accord wagon and I need to use the saddles to transport the yak.

JG


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JollyGreen wrote:
Just realized this thread existed.

Has anyone experienced distortion of the hull from using the Thule Saddles?
Yes. I can use Thule saddles on all the other kayaks (including the weighty PA), but they're too small for the TA -- I put a couple of nice dents in my TA loaner. This boat needs the full cradle to distribute its weight. 8)


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PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 11:35 pm 
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TA? what about for the AI?


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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 5:22 am 
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Yipppeeeeeeeee... The Pirate Pillows are a complete success having carried the weight of the AI for well over 12 months both on its garage 'cradles' and on the Thule roof racks without any distortion of the hull. Costs almost nothing, easy to put together and most suitable for carrying and storing the hull right way up....Pirate :wink:

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Well I already bought the thule set-to-go and hydro glide saddles so I want to make sure they don't distort the hull. I guess I'll sell them if they do. I might use the pirate pillows in the future but want to use what I got if I can. Also, I don't have the thule racks, I have a factory roof rack so I would have to modify them a little.

I'm hoping the saddles work fine for the AI?


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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:24 pm 
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JollyGreen wrote:
Well I already bought the thule set-to-go and hydro glide saddles so I want to make sure they don't distort the hull.
Except for the TI, this is also what I use on everything else (including the AI, loaded separately). Great combination -- almost as good as Pirate Pillows!

Pirate, it's good to see you back! 8)


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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 11:01 am 
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Pirate wrote:
Yipppeeeeeeeee... The Pirate Pillows are a complete success having carried the weight of the AI for well over 12 months both on its garage 'cradles' and on the Thule roof racks without any distortion of the hull. Costs almost nothing, easy to put together and most suitable for carrying and storing the hull right way up....Pirate :wink:


Any plans for Tandem Island pirate pillows?


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