How do you lace-up a old style Hobie diaper harness ?

Does anyone have a picture or diagram of how the old style hobie diaper harness is laced-up?
-Mike-
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I actually have one of these where my boat is stored. I may be there this weekend, maybe not. Regardless, the next time I'm there I'll take a picture of it and post it for you. Sorry if it's not timely enough.

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'81 H16

If it ain't a blowin', I ain't a goin'

Older harnesses only have 2 holes on each side - but they lace up just the same.

What you can't see in the photo is the way you start the lacing. Start by putting each end of the line back to front in the two bottom holes. Kind of like the way shoelaces start out.

It's also shown on page 22 of the Hobie 16 Assembly manual - http://www.hobiecat.com/support/pdfs/H16_Manual.pdf

As you can tell, there are several ways to lace them up.

I do not recommend using one of the old lace up but buckets unless you fit it with some sort of quick release hook system !!

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Bodhisatfa

Ok...I'll bite...why? What's the difference between this hook and the hook on the spreader bar on my Hobie convertable harness?
(and pictured is a full harness BTW)

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The Medieval hernia harness? Unlace and put it on eBay.

The latest trend now in trapeze harness comfort is the Aussie "nappy" style:


Lace-up or strap/buckle doesn't change the fact that you've got a steel hook attached to your body. They are equally hard to get out of (even with a knife) if you are accidentally hooked on something, especially so underwater.

Trapeze accidents do happen, but they are very rare. Even so, I use a Magic Marine half harness with a quick release hook. I knew a guy who drowned and I've know people who've had close calls.

I borrowed son Pauls' Aquata harness w/quick release once. On the first beat the hook and I both "plopped" in the lake. Needed something for the remainder of the regatta so DKreuger loaned me one of the Aussie style shown...suprisingly very comfy & suprisingly VERY pricey.

Have told the story many times of the quick release buckle saving my wife Lynns' life (she was hooked to the tramp lacing of our turtleing boat)...they do serve a purpose. Interesting thing about that incident was that she was totally panicked. I was the one who remebered her quick release (and dove down to unhook it). Adrenaline does strange things to human brain function, unless you practice escape, it does not become second nature in an emergency. Can never be too careful. One thing Phil & Bev Collins told me a long time ago, and I'll never forget...in event of capsize, IMMEDIATELY ask your crew "Are you OK?" sometimes you end up on opposite sides of the boat, get (and give) a response.

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Can someone describe or show exactly what a "quick release" hook is? I have two butt buckets, one lace up and one with webb straps, and both with different hooks, obviously.

One is exactly like the older lace-in that mbounds shows, and the other is (slightly) more modern with webbing and has a hook with a plastic "keeper," for lack of a better term, behind it and the metal plate. It looks like the keeper is there to disallow a casual unhook if tension is suddenly let off the trap rig.

In time I intend to upgrade each bucket and go with the keyhole system. That's what I understood was the safe, "quick release" system. But if a quick release hook is available I might want to save the $$$ and go with that system instead.

Any input is greatly appreciated.

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'81 H16

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http://www.myboatsgear.com/mbg/product.asp?prodID=1423

$160...new hook $38

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Thanks J_Eaton!!!

Just what I needed to review, could be the solution I'm after. Do you think this spreader bar would work on the web strap version of the butt bucket I have? Am i asking too much???

Then again, with the keyhole design (which is slightly cheaper on Murray's than the quick release on West Marine), I would get a snag free solution. What are the drawbacks of the key hole system that would make it less desirable than the quick release system?

I used a keyhole once and it seemed to work fine. My only question in actually using them is which kind of connector to get. My rookie instincts tell me to go for the can't miss handle but the old salt who skippered the H20 with the keyholes had the simple, basic, original connectors.

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'81 H16

If it ain't a blowin', I ain't a goin'

I think the keyhole system is cheaper and just as safe. One thing you need to consider though is if you crew on others boats and/or they crew on yours. Everyone has to have the keyhole setup. The quick release hook would be less restrictive in that regard.

Right, good point. With dissimilar systems I guess we'd have to switch out the bars before shoving off....

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'81 H16

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This is not designed to fit a male(unless pain is your game),but will fit a short female OK...it has two grommet at the shoulder straps and a tube style at the lower front,with two grommets per side panel.I think it laces like this...Matt thanks for the diagram you provided,it helped me re-lace mine old style harness that I haven't been able to lace before.The way it was laced when I got it was wrong...this might be right?...Bill 404 21SE

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Bill 404 21SE

Don't count on that either. My friend's wife vilely referred to hers as a coochy cutter. Having the dead weight of your entire body supported by your crotch is really a special form of torture....male or female. You really ought to just pick up a harness with leg straps.