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 Post subject: Mainsail Halyard - stop
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:58 pm 
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I took some time today to look at my mainsail halyard. I cannot raise the sail up enough to engage the stop on the cable into the hook. I have just been tying of the halyard to the cleat but I know its not right and affects performance. Can I add another stop to the cable? It looks like I need another 4" or so to make it work. Everything looks stock so I am not sure why it does not work. Maybe someone replaced the masthead at some point? My cat is an 81 and I bought used 84 sails for it...could that be it?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:00 pm 
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Try pushing up the mainsail against the track from the tramp as another person pulls the halyard. I have the same struggles and this method works for me to engage the stop.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:11 pm 
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I think your sail should still go high enough for the stop to engage. With help, you might rig the boat, then flip it onto its side for a closer inspection at the mast tip as to what the problem might be.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:50 am 
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This may not be your case, but....

With the all aluminum mast (and halyard for such mast), the stop will sometimes get stuck in the masthead/sheeve if you're pulling the halyard in too much of a straight down direction. Pulling from near/in front of the bridle will help if that's the problem. Once the main is all the way up, you have to keep pressure on the halyard in order to keep the main from slipping back down as you move toward the mast to engage the hook. (Kind of a PITA.) Hope this helps someone.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:49 pm 
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Also check your main's downhaul. I can rig mine solo and usually do, but one day I couldn't get the brass stop to engage no matter how hard I tried or at what angle.

Remembering the old adage that if you're struggling that hard on something that should be easier then something's wrong. I decided to take a break and chill out before I broke something, and when I cleated the halyard onto the mast I noticed that I'd tied the main's downhaul too tight/low and that prevented the main's head from rising high enough. Sheesh....could've had a V8....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:38 pm 
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Did it work okay last time you raised it or is this a new boat/mast/halyard to you? If a new boat...do you have an all aluminum mast or a comp tip? There are two different halyards. You may be using the wrong halyard for your mast. Is it that the slug just wont reach or is the mainsail visibly four inches short of the top of the mast?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:21 pm 
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This is a neew boat to me, it is the slug that just does not reach the hook on the mast. The mast is all aluminum. All the rigging was with the boat so I am assuming it is the right halyard. I did buy the sails seperatley off e-bay. I will rig it after dinner and tip the boat as ET Hobieguy has suggested and report back what I find. Downhaul was completley released so that is not it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:35 pm 
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Let us know how close the gooseneck is to the slot you slip it into on the mast, and how high the reef holes are above the boom.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:30 pm 
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Ok...the reef holes are 40" above the boom and the gooseneck is right at the top of the slot. I will attempt to post pictures below

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:52 pm 
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hopefully this works


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:01 pm 
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Might be worth releasing some rig tension - It's worked for me in the past, straighter mast = straighter bolt rope run...


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:13 pm 
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Unless there is something blocking the head from reaching the top... it has to be technique. It surprises me how hard even an experienced racer struggles at this. Its really quite easy if done correctly.

I wrote a hoist faq some time ago and it: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=371

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Keep the batten tension to a minimum. Hoist the sail slowly, while feeding into the mast opening. When the sail gets about 3/4's of the way up, begin aggressively feeding at the bottom opening and reduce the amount of halyard effort. If the halyard is pulled tight when the sail is not being fed into and up the track, you will have problems. The sail luff will pull taunt and the curve shape will bind in the (straight) mast track. Lower the sail slightly and begin feeding again.

The best way to feed the sail is to stand in front of the mast and reach around either side to "sandwich" the sail between two hands (above the feeder opening) and push the sail up the track. Pull with the halyard, only the slack created, then feed again. If the sail binds, lower slightly and begin feeding again. This technique can be done by one person, but is certainly easier with two working together. It is VERY important that the person on the halyard only pulls the slack up the mast and does not get ahead of the feeder.

Locking the Hobie 14/16 halyard:

Once the sail is fully hoisted (be sure that the sail is fully inserted into the feeder). Pull the halyard forward of the mast by 3-4 feet. Hold the halyard on the centerline of the mast. Pull hard and hold the tension while bringing the halyard into the mast. Release the halyard tension and see that the sail remains fully hoisted. This seats a small bead, in the halyard, under a two finger prong "hook" and the top of the mast. If the sail slips down when downhaul tension is added, repeat the final hoist technique again. Be sure the bead is clear to pass the hook before pulling tension on the halyard.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:36 pm 
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Thanks Matt and Brian, I will try again Thursday.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:39 am 
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goldencove wrote:
This is a neew boat to me, it is the slug that just does not reach the hook on the mast. The mast is all aluminum. All the rigging was with the boat so I am assuming it is the right halyard. I did buy the sails seperatley off e-bay. I will rig it after dinner and tip the boat as ET Hobieguy has suggested and report back what I find. Downhaul was completley released so that is not it.
I wouldn't assume anything on a 1981 boat. Many older boats are collections of parts from many boats (mine is). So you are saying the sail goes all the way up to the mast head but the slug doesn't reach the catch? Your all aluminum mast should be using the wire halyard. The rope halyard is mostly rope with about 18 inches of wire at the end. The wire halyard uses about 10-15 feet of wire tied to another 10 or 15 feet of rope.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:10 am 
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sunvista wrote:
goldencove wrote:
This is a neew boat to me, it is the slug that just does not reach the hook on the mast. The mast is all aluminum. All the rigging was with the boat so I am assuming it is the right halyard. I did buy the sails seperatley off e-bay. I will rig it after dinner and tip the boat as ET Hobieguy has suggested and report back what I find. Downhaul was completley released so that is not it.
I wouldn't assume anything on a 1981 boat. Many older boats are collections of parts from many boats (mine is). So you are saying the sail goes all the way up to the mast head but the slug doesn't reach the catch? Your all aluminum mast should be using the wire halyard. The rope halyard is mostly rope with about 18 inches of wire at the end. The wire halyard uses about 10-15 feet of wire tied to another 10 or 15 feet of rope.


Good points, sunvista....I was assuming from the first post that the main wasn't going all the way up to the masthead, and your point about mismatched parts on older boats is well taken. A few more related thoughts.....

All aluminum masthead should have one larger sheeve; comptip has two smaller ones, and the correct halyard is required as mentioned above. Too much batten tension (per MM above) or not pointing directly into the wind can make difficult become nearly impossible. Also, raising the sail without the boom attached makes it much easier. Those last few inches are the most difficult, and it may not just one major problem mentioned in this thread, but a cumulative of several smaller ones.

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