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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:57 pm 
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For my wife's 30th birthday, I decided her big present would be an H18. First time we tried sailing was on our honeymoon,10 months ago, and we have only had one other opportunity to rent a catamaran since then. So I'm definitely new to sailing, but I did have a background to not be intimidated by such a challenge, and she enjoys the sport so much.

I scanned craigslist for a month and when the time came near, my mother talked me into taking her on the 5 hour ride to surprise her and look at the boat. I had two more candidates eight hours away. I would have made the other trips, but it's hard to let down a wife who is so excited. Anyway, the boat is advertised an 88 at $2,000, with a trailer. It was blistering hot out after we arrive from our five hour trip without air conditioning. I look it over with the scowl of a cheap old man, and a hopping wife who is going on about our long drive with no ac. You get the picture.

I found no soft spots on the hulls, but there were a few discolored areas from repair. My only real concerns were: The boat had no title, and from what the laws of his state were, the boat never would have needed one. He did have a bill of sale that made me more comfortable with the fact. My second concern was the fact that the serial number was scratched into the hull. This could be normal for all I know, but I sure don't believe it is. Lastly my only true concern at the present, is the serial number might not line up with the year advertised for the boat. I would like some help with this one. On the bill of sale from the "State of Connecticut - Department of Motor Vehicles - Bill of sale" the serial number reads CCMH6193M83A and is listed as an 88. On the actual scratched in number, the trailing 3 leads into the 8, so it is hard to tell if it says 88 or 83. This bill of sale could be printed out, use your imagination. It did have enough of the sellers information on it to make me comfortable enough not to disappoint my wife. What I'm curious about now is, how can I verify the year with the information I have?

We have several locations we can sail it at; 1,500 acre lake by my parents vacation home, or a bay by her parents vacation home, or a different bay 5 minutes from our home. After picking up the boat we slept over at the property by the lake due to it's proximity to the seller. My wife was very excited to try it out, so the next morning we tried our hands at rigging it, instruction manual in hands. We did this in our driveway so we would have easy access to the internet. The driveway was large, but tree covered. I had the brilliant idea of moving the light trailer by hand, detaching it from the car to avoid the trees. This cost me a windshield when our makeshift mast pin came apart, and delayed my wife's adventure another week. I know I'm really starting to impress you now.

Fast forward to this last weekend. We bring the boat up to the lake. This time we go to the marina, some what better prepared then last time. I picked up what nuts and bolts I felt we were missing from the sale. We also found a very helpful fellow sailor, who had no experience with catamarans, to question. Six hours later(no exaggeration), we were on calm waters with a very very calm breeze, outrunning every other boat on the lake, be it at a snails pace.

Now if it wasn't for such a calm breeze, we certainly wouldn't have fared so well. I never even hooked up the downhaul. I assumed it was for the jib, but then realized it wasn't, and at the sixth hour just said WTH, we're losing light and we're not going to die going 5mph. Anyway we had a great time, and upon reflection learned a lot, and still have some questions, like what do you do with that extra jib halyard line that I may have made too log?

One last thing. When someone refers to a cam , they think of

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A cam is a rotating or sliding piece in a mechanical linkage used especially in transforming rotary motion into linear motion or vice-versa.


and not

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A mechanical cleat used to hold a line automatically. It uses two spring loaded cams that come together to clamp their teeth on the line,


Why must I learn 1,000 new words to understand the mechanics of sailing? Why can't you just call a block a set of pulleys? I see its age of invention as the only explanation, and not a good one. The physics of sailing have no unique quality. I'm an engineer by trade and find this fact somewhat annoying.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:42 pm 
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Great story, had me laughing for sure. I once rode from Bakersfield California to Salt Lake City in a uhaul truck with a busted ac unit and a govenor that topped out at 55mph in July, oh yeah the wife was eight months prego at the time to top it all off. (longest trip of my life).
The best advice I can give you as I am a H16 man and have never rigged an 18 is to ask around and find someone in your area that is experienced with the workings of an 18 and buy them a six pack of beer for a few hours of lessons. Depending on the salt you find, he may require a twelver, but most Hobie people are more than happy to share their wisdom and experience to anyone new to the sport so don't be afraid to approach anyone with a giant H on their sail.
As far as which lake to park it at? The one closest to your house of course, this will allow you a lot more time to practice your sailing techniques and then when you go to your folks' place take it along, that's what the trailer is for.
There are several books out on how to sail your new toy, the best in my opinion is "Hobie Cat Sailing"by Jake Grubb but "Catamaran Sailing: From start to finish" by Phil Berman is pretty good as well. I own both and find that I spend more time in Grubb's book than the other. You can find both at Amazon and they are a wealth of information for a beginner.
As far as the lingo and the physics of sailing, it's a lot like golf as just when you think you really got it figured out, some guy will fly by you like you've got holes in your sails! You don't have to learn the lingo as long as you're comfortable calling parts of your boat that thingy there, the rope pinchers, or that slidey whatchamacallit? I'm sure the rest of the guys at the beach will know exatly what you're talking about. Have fun and welcome to the family.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:46 am 
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Congratulations on your new purchase! All of the hull ID numbers are scribed in and yes, they can be difficult to read. Post some pictures and the forum might be able to help. I'm in the first summer of Hobie 18 sailing myself but I learned the hard way you should spend the $55 and replace both shroud anchor pins immediately (one of mine snapped on the beach *after a sail* when I was tieing my beach wheels on to the shroud!). I see you found the assembly manual. Here are some other links of interest:

H18 Line Lengths: http://www.hcana.hobieclass.com/?Page=2177

Hobie U Tuning Guide: http://www.hobieclass.com/site/hobie/ihca/downloads/hobieu/HobieU.pdf

Hobie Hotline (See archives and "This Old Hobie" repair columns): http://www.hobiecat.com/hobieclass/

Florida Sailcraft (Cat Trax and Replacement Parts): http://www.floridasailcraft.com/CatAccesories.htm

Sailkote (amesome stuff - bought mine at West Marine): http://www.mclubemarine.com/sailkote/

Good luck!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:33 am 
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If you post a picture of the boat (with the sails), we can tell you whether it's an '83 or an '88. The hull graphics changed in '84, so that's a dead giveaway.

MrClean wrote:
Why must I learn 1,000 new words to understand the mechanics of sailing? Why can't you just call a block a set of pulleys? I see its age of invention as the only explanation, and not a good one. The physics of sailing have no unique quality. I'm an engineer by trade and find this fact somewhat annoying.

I suggest you get over it and learn the terminology - it's been around for hundreds of years and it's not limited to Hobie Cats. You can call things whatever you want, but nobody will know what you're talking about when you ask for advice.

Besides, I find "block" a lot easier to say than "a set of pulleys". :)
Oh, and make sure you get the pronunciation right. The part that rotates in a block is a sheave (pronounced "shiv"). The side of the boat away from the wind is leeward (pronounced "loo-ard"). The side edge of an open-decked boat is a gunwhale (pronounced "gunnel"). The mainsail is pronounced "main-syl"

Arrr, matey - before long, ye be talkin' like a pirate.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:58 am 
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OK, so I found some photos that should help you ID the year:

If the "Hobie Cat" graphic near the transom (that's the back end of the boat) looks like this:
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It's older than an '84. The "Hobie Cat" could be black, and certainly the background color is different, but that's the "old-old" type style.

If it's got a "Hobie 18" graphic that's similar to this:
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Then it's '84 or newer - probably. The problem with dating a boat with the hull graphics is that they could have been removed and updated in the 20+ years that the boat's been around.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:03 am 
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Unfortunately there are no hull graphics at all. I don't know if that is unusual. Here's a cell phone picture of it. Not the best, but maybe it could be some help.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:51 am 
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Not unusual for the lack of hull graphics on a boat thats 27 years old.

The Carumba sail pattern screams 1983. It had been long discontinued by 1988.

You'll do your boat a favor by replacing the forward (pronounced "for'ard") hull rollers with cradles. It doesn't take much to punch the rollers through the hulls.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:32 am 
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Welcome to the club. You're boat is most likely a 1983, especially with the low sail number. My 2¢ - have an experienced Hobie sailor or dealer do a safety check of the boat and get used to forking over money for parts. It's also recommended to order a Hobie catalog to learn the names and prices of parts.

MrClean wrote:
Why must I learn 1,000 new words to understand the mechanics of sailing? Why can't you just call a block a set of pulleys? I see its age of invention as the only explanation, and not a good one. The physics of sailing have no unique quality. I'm an engineer by trade and find this fact somewhat annoying.
You'll quickly learn why you need to learn 1,000 new words when you instruct a crew member to "Pull that rope. No, the other one. No, not that one, the one a little to the left with the silver doohicky on it. Yeah, that one." I counted 27 words in that explanation when "jib halyard" gets the job done quickly and concisely. Imagine trying to say those 27 or more words on the water, with the wind blowing, a scared wife, and there's not much time to make a lengthy explanation before something really goes wrong.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:26 pm 
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Looks like an 83 to me.

This website could be of some use to you and your wife. Sailing Terms
The termonology is used for all of sailing not just hobies.

And here is a part/term diagram for a Hobie.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:52 pm 
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There is a lot of jib halyard left over after raising the jib. On my P16 I have sister clips
and undo the extra line a store it in the tramp pocket. On my H18 I simply fold it up and tuck
it into the luff before I finish zipping it up. Both work equally well. congrats on your new boat.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:15 pm 
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If the boat has the old style rudder casting (pre 1987), it is more than likely an 83 boat. Although possible, it's doubtful a previous owner would have replaced the newer style rudder castings with older style castings on a model year 88 boat which would have come with the newer style. If your castings look like the ones in the attached link, it's probably an 83.

http://www.thebeachcats.com/Article38.html

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:19 am 
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One sure way to tell if it's an 1988 is if it has red sealant on the seam joints.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:59 am 
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jsserene wrote:
One sure way to tell if it's an 1988 is if it has red sealant on the seam joints.


By '88, Hobie Cat had stopped using the red glue and gone back to the black glue.

I think we've pretty well established that he's got an '83.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:36 pm 
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I am a h16 man myself but I can tell you few things that may be of use to you.

When I started sailing I had very little knowledge of what to do. What I am about to offer you is an easy safe way to have a nice learning this sport. :!: :!: :!:
Please take this advice only a suggestion.

1st strap your boat to the trailer and practice putting the mast up a few times before you ever get near the water. Do this more than once and make sure your wife has some jobs as well so that you don't steal all the fun. Both of you should learn where everythings goes because two heads are better than one and there is a lot of stuff to know. Learn where your lines need to be so they don't get cought.

2nd Find a small lake that has an easy/open water launch. Marnias can be hard because there are other boats around and odds are you don't have a motor. This fact makes you cooler than them 8) but opperating under that condition can be very hard.

3rd At that lake... locate a place you and your wife can step the mast and still be able to back the boat into the water without hitting trees or power lines.

4th lauch the boat
5th she can then pull the car away,
6thyou push the boat to a "beach" or any spot half out of the water facing into the wind.
7th put up the sail.

Now go have great day....then do most of what I just said in reverse order. If I miss typed anything sorry....its late. Good Luck Bro

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