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 Post subject: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:34 pm 
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I have badly damaged my H16 comptip mast, and so far I have only found a used mast w/out comptip
IS there any significant upside/benefit to have a comptip mast? :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 4:57 pm 
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Protection from electrocution?

That is the major benifit. Helps to protect sailors from accidental contact with an overhead power line. This can be at a ramp, waterway or deep back cove in a lake... you never know.

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 5:30 pm 
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Where are you located?

I have a Comptip Mast from an 1983 H16 I could give you.

I am in Los Angeles.

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:11 am 
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...and if he doesn't want it John, I do!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:08 am 
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When I bought my '85 H-16 without comptip, I received a letter from Hobie offering to retrofit the comptip free. Included in the letter was the note that the comptip reduced the "cone of protection" from lightning. I believe that it is necessary to have the comptip to be class legal for racing. Obviously I don 't race. I researched lightning and found an interesting comment from one expert. "The only thing more dangerous than being on the water in a boat with a mast sticking up is being on a boat without a mast." I believe there have been accidents where masts struck power lines when being towed toward launch ramps. I am satisfied without the comptip.

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:00 am 
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Here is the comp tip story I was told, when Coleman owned Hobie some idiot was not observant and sailed into or tried to set up his mast and it touched a power line causing damage, due to the deep pockets of Coleman the person sued and won big bucks, as a result the company introduced the comp tip to reduce further law suites. Is this not true?

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:25 am 
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Little Wing wrote:
...some idiot was not observant and sailed into or tried to set up his mast and it touched a power line causing damage...


This was not an isolated incident. Folks have been killed as a result of hitting power lines. It's very easy to become distracted when you're at the beach having a good time with family and friends. The danger is very real and we've all had our momentary lapses, but calling any of the victims in these cases "idiots" just makes you look like a idiot.

Kudos to Hobie for providing a well designed and effective solution to the problem - regardless of the motivation behind it or who was at fault. That's not something we see a lot of today...recent Toyota happenings jump to mind...

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:34 pm 
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I agree idiot is uncalled for, accidents happen some are bizarre, In my experience it is unacceptable ,do not sail near power lines that is ground work you do first!

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:50 pm 
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srm wrote:
This was not an isolated incident. Folks have been killed as a result of hitting power lines. It's very easy to become distracted when you're at the beach having a good time with family and friends.

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There are power lines just outside of the SC Harbor parking lot. At least once a month, someone, either a fisherman with antennas up, or less common, a sailor takes them out. They are just individual house power and phone, but it does happen... often.

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:15 pm 
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Is there any added performance from having the comp tip? If the fiberglass is more flexible than the aluminium than maybe the top of the sail can twist off more in high wind.

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:15 am 
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Well, if you ever want to add a spinnaker maybe you are better off without the comp tip. Minor issue I know....

Check the mast head sheave too. They don't make them anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:17 am 
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drews_old14 wrote:
Is there any added performance from having the comp tip? If the fiberglass is more flexible than the aluminium than maybe the top of the sail can twist off more in high wind.

Exactly

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:41 am 
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Is the comp tip 100% successful? I'm thinking of power lines that may be lower than the comp tip.

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:37 am 
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I do not get it, look ahead and check for power lines if they are present stay away from them, do not rely on a comp tip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Comptip benefits??
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:41 pm 
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I agree with you 100% Little Wing, 1000% even, but, I do think it's prudent to keep this in mind:

srm wrote:
we've all had our momentary lapses

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