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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:23 pm 
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Personally, I think what Flying Ferris suggested is excellent. I have seen these mesh things before, it is the way to go for overnight excursions. Just keep the weight of your gear closer to the mast. Bungee each piece down securely.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:09 pm 
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Looking at the touring net, I wonder if it would work better if it connected to each of the corner posts underneath the tramp. The way, gear could be connected to the tramp lacing, dolphin striker by caribiners etc and be held in place beneath the trampoline. I would think it would be better for weight distribution. I would be a little concerned having gear stored on a net in front of the mast. Would that not help to drive the bows underwater? Although, I suppose that could interfere with the trap line bungies.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:53 pm 
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As we all know when the wind comes up the 16 loves to dive the leeward bow into the water. I would be real careful about putting very much weight up front.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:10 am 
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I've done some overnights with the Mrs and have a fairly decent set up given the small space of the H-16 tramp.

I put a medium sized cooler on the port hull infront of the tramp. It nestles into two foam 'bricks' that are curved for the radius of the top hull (underside of bricks) and notched out to recieve the cooler (top of bricks). This traps the cooler nicely and protects the hulls from the square cooler bottom. I installed a stainless 'U' bolt thru the cooler (flush and nicely done), sealed up the job with 3m5200. This gives an anchor point exterior which then ties back to the front pylon. A bungee over the whole operation is used when she really blows and the cooler is taking alot of spray pressure. I can access the cooler without running the risk of loosing it.

On the starboard hull just past the tramp, I bungee the ground pads (two thermarests rolled together). I don't care if they get wet.

I double grommeted my tramp last year to prolong it's life and installed some extra tie points. A small loop of rope, knotted below and above, acts as the tie point for a biner. These are along the rail on each side, about 2.5 feet down from the front crossbar and 10 inches in from the rail. I use side loading drybags that have a tie point both fore and aft. The aft clicks to the grommet location and the fore clip goes over the front crossbar and ties the the dolphin striker or front pylon. I can put a large drybag (food, clothes, campstove, sleeping bags, etc) on each side of the tramp in this position. They don't flop around due to the double connection (even when flying a hull), they're out of the way unless boat trim neccessitates forward wieght (in which case they can be sat upon), and they keep the center uncluttered. I also do put a small drybag in the ceter tramp lacing near the mast base.

If you pretend your wilderness camping, ie going light/fast in the backcountry, and pack accordingly, it works quite well. The cooler is for wine, wobble pops, and cheese, etc.

The combination of the cooler and drybags nearer to the front does add some weight fore. However, I've found it to be managable and better than the 'pile' in the center which is just as fore as my tie points.

All in all it works slick! Hope I've been able to give you some ideas...


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:07 am 
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The hobie 16 is not a good boat for hauling lots of typical camping gear like coolers, propane stoves, cook kits, etc etc. In fact, there is an episode of "i should not be alive" (something like that) where they sail across the sea of cortez with an overloaded hobie 16 and in severe weather the pylons crack the haul, they sank, stranded on an uninhabited rock. With that said...

We sail our 16 to the Manitou Islands on Lake Superior but have done a lot to prepare ourselves.

1.) The first thing we did was double the standing rigging so that everything is redundant. We have a backup for everything to do with the standing rig that we can forsee breaking. We attached extra tangs to the mast in various places and to the boom for lots of rigging options. We also added some extra options for connecting the side shrouds to the haul. Our primary rig is also new and in very good shape.

2.) LARGE flotation bags in the hauls that displace nearly as much water as the hauls themselves. We made ours out of a rubber/vinyl that guys build "pack rafts" out of. Pack rafts are meant to be backpacked in, then floated out. The material bonds with an iron to itself and can be cut and formed into any shape. Different weights of the material and methods for bonding build it into different strengths for either lakes or class whatever rapids. We opted for the lightest method since the haul supports our bags and weight was a HUGE concern.

3.) small hand pump for the "bilge". We added inspection ports to the front and rear for installing bags and also built a system for our pump. We can remove up to 5 gallons a minute of water from our "bilge" with the hand pump.

4.) bailers on each haul. We have bailers installed on the bottom of our hauls. They are similar to finn bailers, pop em open to use them off the wind, close them up wind. the actuators run from the top of the hauls under the tillers through to the bottom to the bailers. this system removes 10x more water than the bilge pump but only works well off the wind.

5.) READ UP ON LIGHTWEIGHT BACKPACKING. My base weight for 3 seasons is only about 10lbs thanks to this philosophy. Base weight includes all the gear I need minus food/water. My tent for 3 people only weighs 40oz, camping stove 0.5oz. etc etc. It taught me what sleep system could get soaked and still keep me warm, what clothing works in all kinds of weather, how to use EVERYTHING for multiple uses, etc etc. Using the philosophy of light weight backpacking has allowed us to really enjoy our hobie sailing and the destination.

6.) small tool kit/sail repair kit. again don't add a lot of weight to the boat here. we fabricated multi tools and shaved as much weight as possible here.

7.) Balast system. We have the bulk of our gear that can get wet (not that it does, read below) under the tramp on a balast system. We can adjust the weight of our gear under the tramp on two axis, all the way fore to aft and side to side. This allows us to use the extra 40lbs or so for two people to our advantage in a lot of situations. The remainder of the gear sits nicely tucked away in a small backpack on board that we can either tether to the mast or wear on our backs for extra weight out on the trap. In retrospect being adjusted on one axis was good enough, side to side, because you can move your body for/aft.

8.) hobie anti pitchpole hydrofoils custom modified in length. you would be shocked at how well these work when you accidentally ramp a wave and plow straight through the next one. They don't always work though and sometimes make matters even worse in severe weather. We modified these with one way hinges and return springs so they only pull us UP out of the water. In the event they start to generate downward thrust about 85% of their working surface area collapses down until the hauls resurface.

9.) only two people on the boat. our combined weight (skin out) is about 330 lbs soaking wet. this reduces the stress on the boat big time. yeah more people = more stable but only at the expense of more stress on the boat. You don't want to push a boat to the absolute limit when your life depends on it do you?

10.) straps for our feet in the event we trap out in severe weather. We've sailed in swells so large the boat had no power between the peaks of waves. The straps really help with controlling the weight and "surfing" the hobie down the waves. They are absolutely crucial in severe weather to even stay on the boat.

11.) safety gear. flare gun, flashing lights/whistles on vests, gps, backup charts, good compass, etc etc. don't cut weight here... your life may depend on it. do what you can to be efficient but don't compromise.

12.) extra grommets for reefing main sale/furling jib. We added grommets to reef the main even further. the stock ones don't shrink enough sail area away in severe weather (ask me how I know). We are in the process of modifying our furling system to set the jib area for sailing too. the stock furling systems on hobies have a lot of short comings in this area. don't try to sale with a furled jib on a hobie...

For keeping stuff dry, LOKSAK. Tested by the navy and is water proof down to 200 feet for two weeks completely submerged. These bags come in a lot of sizes and are very light weight. We use them to keep bears from picking up the scent of our food in the back country and keeping anything dry. They are the lightest, dryest, best option imo for over night hobie trips.

Ok well I hope that gets you started on the right path. I don't suggest taking the hobie on long trips across large water. These ideas work for me and I do not garuntee they will work for you. Small craft on large water is always a bad idea more than a mile or so away from shore.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:46 pm 
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Wow that sounds complicated.

I just like to get out and fly a "haul" every now and then, myself.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:33 pm 
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sometimes I just like to get out there and hull ass.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:05 pm 
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tchilds wrote:
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8.) hobie anti pitchpole hydrofoils custom modified in length. you would be shocked at how well these work when you accidentally ramp a wave and plow straight through the next one. They don't always work though and sometimes make matters even worse in severe weather. We modified these with one way hinges and return springs so they only pull us UP out of the water. In the event they start to generate downward thrust about 85% of their working surface area collapses down until the hauls resurface.

I am fabricating my own hydrofoils -think I get the idea but could you provide a picture?
(Sorry to highjack from the primary discussion...)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:25 pm 
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One thought is getting one of those bunjie spider web looking load securement nets and then run a small diameter low stretch rope from your front pylons through your bridle anchors and across the bow forming a complete square (your striker will form the other side of the square) then using the heavy duty plastic hooks that come with the net you could stretch the net tight and attach it to the rope forming a (censored) tramp similar to the getaway set up?

I guess a fella could take some small diameter, thin walled aluminum tubing like old tent frame stuff and fashion them from the pylons to the bridles anchors and one across the bow, then stretch the bunjie net tight and secure it to the tubes? This would make for a more rigid set up.

I don't suggest you nose load the thing crazy heavy and try to sail very agressively, but if you think balance when loading and sailing you should be able to get to your location without incident.

Food for thought?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:10 am 
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flaco wrote:
Here's what we did on our trip to Anclote Key:


This is all our gear for 2 nights, but my buddy and I are both backpackers, so we have a bunch of lightweight equipment.
All the dry bags are clipped together, or to the tramp lacing with carabiners. Ugly but functional.



That is a lot of gear!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:29 am 
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tchilds wrote:

1.) The first thing we did was double the standing rigging so that everything is redundant. We have a backup for everything to do with the standing rig that we can forsee breaking. We attached extra tangs to the mast in various places and to the boom for lots of rigging options. We also added some extra options for connecting the side shrouds to the haul. Our primary rig is also new and in very good shape.



Do you mean you carry a spare standing rig or that you actually sail with 2 standing rigs installed? Double shroud diameter or 2 separate cables per side?

Overall, it sounds like you've thought of everything. Impressive. Will you outfit my boat?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:47 am 
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saw an ep. of I Shouldn't Be Alive this weekend about two guys that set off from Baja California to mainland Mexico on a 4 day sail and ended up shipwrecked on a desert island. To sum it up... Don't load up a Hobie 16 with gear; buy a 21SC if you want to do that.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:35 am 
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I'd say what I learned from that episode (saw it last year) was split up your water supply. They had 1 container for water that weighed like 70lbs. And then they ditched it overboard when one hull started capsizing... Those guys weren't that bright. If I were taking that trip I would have camelbaks and water bottles spread out. Thats a lot of weight right there. Thos 21sc's with the tent look pretty sweet for a trip like that

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:20 pm 
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I used to do extended (couple of weeks) canoe camping and we used standard issue olive drab duffle bags. We would put our sleeping bags and everything in plastic garbage bags and then into the duffle. They consolidated all the gear and are easily strapped down. We were frequently in the water with a swamped canoe as we were mostly running rivers and they always came out dry. I could see strapping at least 4 of them up in the corners of the frame and the hull. The bags can be obtained at army surplus stores for reasonable cost and treated with a water resistant spray.
Keep in mind that the load limit of the H16 is around 800 lbs. I wouldn't expect much performance over about 500 though.


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