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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:56 am 
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We have a new TI. Well, new since December. The 2011 model. And after something like 20+ trips out into the ocean with it,
I feel compelled to let you other TI sailors know of some equipment problems we have experienced.

Oh, we haven't had the dreaded drive well issues. Or the mast support breakage. Or the cart hole damage, or the rudder popping loose. And our akas are straight and good. Nah, all that stuff is great. Boat sails beautifully.
We've had other equipment issues.

First, on the very weekend we launched the boat, we had one of the new fibergla$$ kayak paddles bounce out of the boat between the house and the ramp. We went back and looked ( we live four miles from nearest pavement, and this was all on a dirt and limestone road) and it was gone.

Then, two days later, La Gringa put her hand on the other fiberglass paddle while it was clipped onto the aka. She leaned some weight on it to get out of the boat, and it cracked. The paddle, not her hand. So within two weeks both new paddles were toast. Good thing we had the two aluminum paddles that came with our i14t. Ugly, but tough. I plan to replace them with the telescoping single bladed aluminum canoe paddles West Marine carries.

TI sailors will know about the two Hobie water bottles packaged with every new boat. We like them. We use a lot of water bottles here on a small tropical island. It's like endless summer here. And now with the TI, well you other Hobie sailors know that you need a nearby supply of fresh water if you have a Hobie. I think "Hobie" is actually sanscrit for "Wet Ride" or something. Hey, it's half the reason we buy Hobies, anyhow. But if you have a TI and sail it on the ocean, you need to be able to wash the salt out of your grinning teeth and off your sunglasses. Like, all the time.

On the bottom of these Hobie water bottles is a sticker that says something like "Hand Wash" and "Don't Microwave", and of course, "Made in China"
( Hobie, how could you????) and warns against hot liquids. Okay. It's not a coffee cup, I guess. No flaming daiquiris. Or smoking while drinking straight Everclear. We can live with that.

But it doesn't say don't put in the dishwasher. Now does it? Nope. It doesn't.
(there. I'm covered.)

Well, last night I screwed up. Or so I am being repeatedly told. I had about a half dozen water bottles that needed washing. Including one of the new Hobies. So I put them all in the dishwasher. Ah oh. I bet you see where this is going, don't you.

Warning! Graphic image attached!

If you are squeamish about shrunken threads or deformed plastic, please don't look at this photo!

The bottle on the left is the standard, un dishwasher washed Hobie water bottle. And on the right, it's identical twin brother after being subjected to a standard wash cycle:

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Yes, my brothers...the dishwasher turned a perfectly good water bottle into a Texas shot glass. It won't stand up straight by itself, and although the screw on top still works for some bizarre reason ( nothing like a good screw-on), of course tequila leaks right past the threads. Or maybe it just seems that way. It ends up on the front of your shirt, in any case. Come to think of it, the last thing inside this particular bottle was rum and orange juice. But it was cold rum and OJ.

So, be warned. The Chinese Hobie water bottles will not handle hot liquids in any form. And in the darkness of a dishwasher, they turn positively twisted.

So there you have it. If you are contemplating buying a TI, I want you to know that in our experience, there are some real issues. To wit:
1.) the fiberglass paddles are too light and will bounce out of the boat on the trailer if you go too fast on a bumpy road without tying them down.
2.) the fiberglass paddles will not take the weight of an adult from the side.
3.) the water bottles shrink up horribly if you put them in the dishwasher.

(Our dishwaster is GE's 'New Guinea Headhunter' model, I think.)
I don't know what was IN that plastic that is no longer there, but something left it in the dishwasher. It had to. Do water bottles have souls?


There, I've said it. It needed to be done.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:28 am 
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On the bottom of these Hobie water bottles is a sticker that says something like "Hand Wash"


which part of "hand wash" do you think is mutually exclusive of putting it in the dishwasher ? The "hand" or the "wash" ?

Im sorry, but if Matt denies you a factory warranty claim on this Im just going to have to back him up 110%

... on the brite side, Dewly the Dredlock Dawg now has a Hobie Water bottle sized just for him !

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:39 am 
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Well, who actually knows what was meant by 'Hand Wash"? What does that mean to an interpreter in Shanghai? Sticker's long gone from the bottom. I was quoting from memory. Those stickers came unglued the moment they overheard us planning to head to the boat ramp to launch. The first wave over the bow happened before we could even get the trailer hooked to the Land Rover sitting in the "driveway".

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:39 am 
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Gringo,
Hummmmm......There seems to be a pattern happening here.
Slaughter, did your dog use to be an English Mastiff? :o :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:58 am 
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Fly'n--great picture. A dog that helps put the dishes away. What more could you ask?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:41 am 
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Well I know where our dog was on Sunday....
Looking for a fire hydrant. Or a telephone pole. Or a tree.....or even a tall bush would do....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:17 pm 
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Gringo wrote:
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HOLY COW! :shock:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:41 pm 
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Maybe the 2012's should have redesigned cupholders (again :roll: ) for those new test tube sized containers?

Meanwhile;

1. Slow down on those bumpy roads. You could spill the daiquiris.

2. I would check to see that your dishwasher is getting the right voltage. Was it made in China too? :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:56 pm 
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That must be why the TI has two sets of drink holders, the larger ones on the right side for pre-washed hobie bottles and the smaller set on the left side for post washed the hobie bottles. This bursts my bubble because I sold my wife on the fact that the smaller drink holders (on the left side) were specifically designed for those small Michelobe Ultra cans (my wifes favorite beer), I was in heaven, and that specifically was the determining factor for me to sell her on buying the boat. What am I supposed to tell her now.
I'm a plastics guy, and it looks like the Hobie bottles were made with the stretch blow molding process. Basically they injection mold the pre-form (with the threads) more or less in the shape of your picture of the small bottle. The bottles are then heated up and high pressure applied inside, they blow up like a water balloon inside a mold which conforms them to the final outside shape. It appears the high temperature inside your dishwasher reduced them back close to their pre-form state. Maybe thats why they say hand wash only. However I wash mine all the time in our dishwasher on the upper rack, but never use the heated dry or sanitize settings. It's probably the heated dry cycle that killed them.
Great story though

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:30 pm 
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Cool. I figured something like that must have happened. It looks like a supercooled deflated....uh.....balloon.

I put some water in it, and screwed the top on and it leaks. I can see the top edge of the threaded part, that fits a rudimentary v notch seal in the black cap, is no longer round.

I was thinking of dipping the threaded part into a pot of boiling water to see if it would soften up, and then screw the lid on it and see if it would mold it back round again.

Nothing to lose. can't use it this way.

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Maybe the next time you do a leak test of your hull with shop-vac exhaust like I do, you could try re-inflating your water bottle too. :lol: :)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:50 pm 
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I've got a pretty good compressor setup. I could probably make a Hobie beach ball out of it.

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Gringo - I showed your two bottles to my wife & she laughed & said, "how small would it be if you put it in the dishwasher again" :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:28 am 
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If I understand fusioneng correctly, all the elastic tension in the plastic got released by heating it in the dishwasher. So I suspect that the 'shrunken head' size is what it started as, and it probably wouldn't get any smaller by heating it again.

I haven't thrown it out yet, trying to figure out if it would ever be used for anything. I suspect not, since it will no longer sit upright. And we have other water bottles that behave themselves.

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Gringo wrote:
I've got a pretty good compressor setup. I could probably make a Hobie beach ball out of it.


Whoa ... the water bottle or the Kayak ? :shock:

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