Jib Car

Hi Guys:
The "new" (81') 16 I just picked up has weird jib cars. Instead of the car/traveler with swivel jam cleat inboard, it has one unit that consists of two pulleys(one large stainless with a small composite above) with a jam cleat below, all of which travel together. Is this a good thing? Why would someone make this change?

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Mims, FL

My 1980 was the same way. this was a standard on that era boat I believe, no remote traveler adjustment. I ended up upgrading to a fixed cam traveler system which made a huge difference

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1985 Prindle 16

I just ordered some low profile jib blocks for mine, part 1075


I'm not bothering with the adjust on the fly thing, I'm just a weekend recreational sailor. The lake I sail on I normally tack all the way out and jybe all the way in, so only need to adjust the jib car once or twice in a whole afternoon. I'll do it manually.

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Marc...
1978 Hobie 16 Keoke, sail# 36 84

Will one of those low profile jib blocks take the place of the jib car and block on my hobie? Looks alot simpler than the one I have now. The sheet goes through my jib car block and then to my cleat. Seams this will take place of both.

Thanks,
Joshua

P.S. I will not be racing so not worried about being class legal.

They are for the older ones with the stainless steel track, not the newer with the integrated track.

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Marc...
1978 Hobie 16 Keoke, sail# 36 84

All of them are class legal anyway. No worries.

I have the stainless track and here is the type of jib car I have and block:



I just want to get rid of this and another cleat to simplify sailing for those who havent been.

Joshua

Yes they will work (and much smoother than your stock setup), Josua. Leave your existing swivel cam cleats where they are. Then you'll just need a couple of cheek blocks and some line if you decide to install traveller controls later. These are really handy, particularly when you're solo.

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Jerome Vaughan
Hobie 16

Last year I switched from the kisme ok jib car (jib traveler trim kit - part 1073) to the low profile jib blocks (part 1075). They work somewhat better than the old system (it is a lot easier to adjust the jib travelers), but it is harder to release the jib sheet from the cam cleats of the low profile jib block, particularly from the back of the boat when sailing solo. The jib sheet has to be yanked way up to get it to release as compared to the main sheet which can easily be released by just pulling on it.

Unfortunately, the cam cleat of the low profile jib block is angled upwards and the fairlead in front of it is a lot lower than the cam cleat (this makes it very easy to cleat the jib sheet but very difficult to uncleat it). I am considering stacking another roller fairlead on top of the original one to see if that will improve the angle that the jib sheet enters the cam cleat.

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Tim
84 H16
82 H16
87 H14T
Tortola Sails: 115222
Blue Prism Sails: 88863
Clearwater, FL

Here is my setup on the boat now. Forgot I had a pic of everything.
Let me know what you guys think of this setup and what both of those cleats are for.



Joshua

Outboard cleat is for the jib traveller control (it's facing the wrong way). That's an overkill arrangement for that. You don't need a cleat that big.

Inboard cleat is for the jib sheet.

overkill is right! dont know why i asked what the inboard cleat was for, i knew that already

anywho, thanks guys
joshua

Just to be clear, Joshua....

If you get the new low-profile jib cars (w/cam cleats), they will take the jib sheet, and you'll use the existing inboard swivel cam cleats and the cheek blocks (on the castings) for the travellers. Then ditch those outboard cleats (never seen any mounted like that) post haste!

BTW....Where are you planning to sail?

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Jerome Vaughan
Hobie 16

The new low-profile jib cars (w/cam cleats) have a spring loaded pin that will lock the position of the car in the track. If you want to adjust the jib traveler car using a jib traveler line and the inward swivel camcleat along with the shockcord, you will have to modify the spring loaded locking pin on the jib car. You can either pull it up and use a piece of wire wrapped around the shaft of the pin so it can't drop down or you can grind the bottom of the pin off flush with the bottom of the jib car.

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Tim
84 H16
82 H16
87 H14T
Tortola Sails: 115222
Blue Prism Sails: 88863
Clearwater, FL

Or, where the traveller line connects to the pin, just tie your knot in such a manner that it holds the pin up.

Tim H16: Man, I'm jealous....I've sailed all along the upper gulf coast, and you are in a mack-daddy area! Come on over to Ocean Springs and/or Juana's for some of the races this year!

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Jerome Vaughan
Hobie 16