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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:00 pm 
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On January 31, my fishing pal Rob and I went to Point-no-Point, near Hansville, WA
to fish for salmon. We got there around 8am, air temp 38, water temp 42F. We geared up and launched into a 10 mph north wind, about a one foot chop, and pedaled out -- I making my maiden voyage in my new Hobie Adventure, Rob in his Revolution.

We got about half mile offshore to the north of the point lighthouse,in 110 feet of water. We were in VHF contact, maybe 100-200 yards apart. I was marking fish on my depthfinder after an hour or so and heard Rob holler "TER!"---thought he hooked something, then heard "I'm in the water!"

I cut my fishing line and sprinted over to him. He was beside his boat, hanging on. I was bow-to-stern with his boat; he was between the boats. He was wearing NRS farmer john wetsuit bottom, a sweatshirt over cotton long-john top, and a heavy cotton Carhartt winter jacket under his life vest.

I tried to get him onto his deck, but he was unable to kick up. After only 10 minutes in the water he was becoming hypothermic and rather immobile. His wet clothing was weighing him down (he weighs about 200 lbs). He had tried to kneel on his seat and reach his tackle box on the rear deck, and got too close to the gunwale and went overboard. The wind took his boat about 10 yards away, and he had to swim for it. That took what energy he had.

He got one hand under my stern bungees, and held onto his boat with the other, and got one leg up on my stern. I suggested he let go of his boat and try to get onto my back deck, but he did not want to lose his Revolution! I got a good grip on his lifejacket with my right hand and pedaled for shore. It took me about 20 minutes to get us into the shallows. He was able to stand on his own, but was pretty blue and hypothermic.

He got his wet clothes off, dry ones on, and into his truck with the heater going while I retrieved the boats. I am rethinking my choice of Kokatat Goretex bibs and Koke semi-dry top with folding Velcro neck seal! The waist overlap-folding seal seems to be tight, but I intend a pool test this week, including going in head-first with the neck folded over. Any leakage, and it's full dry suit for me. *

I didn't blink an eye at spending $1800 on a new Hobie, but thought $500 for the Meridian Angler drysuit was too much! I have a different opinion today. Rob and I had talked in the past about clothing for winter paddling, and he was content with the wetsuit farmer John, but is now of a different mind. And---his VHF was in the boat, not in his life-vest. He could not have made an SOS call if I had been out of earshot.

"Be prepared" has taken on new meaning, no longer theoretical. The Mirage drive saved his life. I could not have paddled to shore and held him with one hand. God bless the guy who invented the Mirage drive! I intend to have a throw line, and equip my boat with lifelines fore and aft. My sit-in sea kayaks all had lifelines along the gunnels, now I see how useful they can be. I intend to enroll in a safety and rescue class next month. Since the incident, I have donated my 2-piece dry top and Kokatat Gore-tex bibs, and purchased a full Kokatat dry suit.
In retrospect, I might have tried harder to get my pal up onto my back deck, and leave his boat to be picked up after I got him to shore but at the time felt the need to get moving toward shore as quickly as possible. He was exhausted but stable between the two kayaks. I considered using my VHF to call the Coast Guard and try to get them to contact any nearby boats, but that would have meant he'd spend more time in the water waiting. A water temperature of 42 degrees does not allow much leeway for trying things!

I am sending a copy of this story to the consumer support folks at Hobie HQ, to be forwarded to the designers of the Mirage drive in thanks for my friend's life!!!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:34 pm 
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Wow...glad you're both safe...thanks for posting.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:58 pm 
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Wow! Scary stuff, but glad you guys are OK. I have forwarded the story to our entire staff here.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:08 am 
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Excellent report and thanks for sharing! We're glad everyone made it back to shore safely and that disaster was averted.

Last summer Cindy and I did some man-overboard drills with the TI using a seat cushions, which was illuminating. And later in the summer we took turns swimming off the TI, which was even more illuminating.

For the drills with the cushion, I went first and was able to get us back to the cushion under sail in 53 seconds, which we both figured was a pretty good time to reach someone adrift in the water with a life jacket (we always wear inflatable PFDs). Cindy then took her turn, but instead of sailing back to the cushion, she immediately released the mainsheet, whipped the TI around and used the Mirage Drive - and she beat my time by doing so, 45 seconds! We were both surprised that the Mirage Drive solution was faster in that circumstance.

When we went swimming off the TI later in the summer, it was a dog day on the Bay - the water was like glass, no wind at all and perfect conditions to test getting back on board the TI. Boy, was that a surprise! With no purchase to speak of, we both had the dickens of a time getting back on board. We still haven't figured out a working solution to help getting back on the TI, but are glad now to have learned what the challenges are before an actual emergency occurs. We've also taken the step to purchase a jack line so we stay connected to the TI this coming sailing season.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:27 am 
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Great report and glad all made it through this. Isn't it nice to have that VHF right there?

Cotton and any cold weather outdoor activity do not go well together. At New England Kayak Fishing we strongly recommend dressing for immersion. Anytime the water gets below 50º a dry suit or dry top over waders with wading belt should be warn. One just never knows how long it might take to get out of the water depending on the circumstance. Even with 50º water, it only takes 5 to 10 minutes for a body to quit functioning properly, that is muscles and brain.

As the temperatures fall below that 50º it becomes even more imperative that we all dress appropriately to those conditions. Layers can be added under the dry gear and work quite well.

At NEKF we also stress that each spring when we start hitting the water again (some of us have to wait till the ice melts) we practice a self recovery or two and at the same time we are testing the dry gear to be sure it is still functioning as it should. It is time to test again in the Fall as temperatures drop off again.

Glad all went well for you folks and hope others will read this thread and pick something up from it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:16 pm 
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Thanks for the good wishes and good advice.

We figured that the Mirage drive on my Adventure was pulling about 570 pounds----220lb guy in the water, about 30lbs of waterlogged clothing, his Revo at 75#, being towed stern first, and me at 170# plus my Adventure at 70. And no bent mast, fins look just pristine. How's that for robust quality? Hobie rocks!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:07 am 
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Wow, I'm SO glad that everything turned out ok.

I'm Canadian, and we hear a LOT about safety in the cold water. I have to admit that I'm also too "cheap" to buy a full drysuit, and that I often go out in just a wetsuit, but I think the really important lesson here is that when the water is that cold, you literally cannot move your limbs in a matter of seconds. If you don't have a full dry suit, you're not going to be able to get back into your boat, so don't risk it, if it's not safe! If you want to go out in the really cold water, you need a dry suit. It's unfortunate for those of us living in cold water climates, but it really is a matter of life and death.

I have to admit, this is another reason that I moved from a traditional kayak to a Hobie. Last spring, I was out in my traditional kayak and the wind and waves picked up (on Lake Ontario) I just didn't feel safe. Being locked into a boat in a pool, and practicing a roll is one thing, but trying to do it in colder water, with waves, that's a much more difficult thing to do. I went out the next day in my wife's Revolution, just for a change, and the conditions were similar, and I felt MUCH safer.

Since buying my AI, I've gone out in cold water (with my wetsuit) and jumped off of my Adventure, and into the water, and tried to get back in. There's a technique to it, but it's quite simple. I've done this again in large waves in warmer water (relatively speaking, it's still a Great Lake) and the waves change things, but it's still MUCH easier to get into the sit on top Hobie, then the sit inside traditional kayak.

Traditional kayakers practice their "rolls" and their wet exits all the time (the good ones do) but I don't think Hobie owners practice this nearly as much as they should. Make sure that you know what you would do if you went overboard, and don't go out if you haven't got the equipment or skills to handle a surprise dip in the water.

I would think that this is especially true for the Pro Angler users. Those boats are higher out of the water then my Adventure, and I'm not sure how I would get back into them in cold or rough water. The technique would likely be different then with my boat.

Thanks again for the safety reminder, and I'm SO glad that things turned out ok for you two.

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You guy might want to consider this article.


http://www.kayakfishingmagazine.net/kay ... ckers.html

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:51 pm 
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Thanks for the idea, Bob----sent email and asked for 1/2 dozen of those stickers. We both have full Kokatat dry suits now, by the way!! I am planning on taking the water rescue symposium at Alder Creek kayak in Portland, OR in April. Covers solo and group rescue & reboard, etc etc.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:02 pm 
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G'day kallitype, congratulates on saving your buddies life, and thanks for posting this up.

At first I thought you were talking about WA (Western Australia) but the Fahrenheit, actual temperatures and MPH didn't make sense :lol: .

It really annoys me when I see people skimping on the clothes that may save their lives and people who do not practise re-entry on a regular basis, so I applaud you for getting good clothes and preparing to better your skills. It is real life events like this, that really drive home the importance of both.

Something I tried to always practise, was how to approach and assist a rescue and from what I read from your story, In my opinion, unknowingly, you not only put yourself at risk, but your buddy as well, also making the rescue attempt harder.

I realise that the actual water temp was a big part of the reason your buddy could not re-enter due to muscle wastage from hypothermia, but I posted this info, links and video's a while ago on another forum that a lot of guys got some great help from it. I will post it here as well and hope it also helps someone here including yourself. Warning, it is long, but every bit worth it in it's own way.

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Practising "Self Rescue" and "Rescue Assist".

Make sure you have a buddy and your PFD on before attempting any practise. Start practice in shallow and calm water to start with. No good going out deep if your buddy cannot help and you cannot get back on. Not only yourself but both together, one assisting the other then reverse the rolls after a brief rest. As your technique progresses, so can the depth and the conditions you practice in.
Practice draining techniques, you may have an SOT but it still helps to know if you take on water or find someone with an SIK in trouble. You can do this by forming a T shape, run the bow of their kayak, up over your kayak at your lap, so you can then lift it, break the seal, and drain some of the water out. Once you turn the kayak back up the correct way, they can then mount the kayak from the stern, shimmy forward to the seat while you help stabilise the kayak, or, once drained, then move side on to the kayak and brace/stabilise as they remount from the side. Often if someone cannot get on from the side, they can get back on from the bow or stern. The bow or stern can be pulled down below the water line, making it easier to get on top of the kayak.

If you have a fishing kayak with rod holders etc, practice side entry. With rod holders, rods, nets etc poking up, bow or stern entry may be very difficult, find easy ways to re-mount from the side. A stirrup or paddle float may even be necessary, though extreme caution should be given to stirrups as they may create a tangle point, making conditions even worse. When re-mounting a kayak, hold on to the kayak and try to float your legs up to the surface, don't have them down deep under you. Then with a combination, strong pull and kick, pull your torso up onto the kayak until your bottom is inline with the seat. Then roll over placing your bottom in the seat while still trying to keep the centre of gravity low and balanced before sitting up fully.

Practice if approaching someone already in the water, keeping their kayak between you and them so it is harder for them to pull you over if panicked, there is also less risk of injury from being struck or sandwiched by the kayaks in rough conditions. Stabilise their kayak from the opposite side by laying your paddle across both kayaks and then laying (while still seated) across both kayaks. With a firm grip (not as easy on an SOT), get your mate to try and pull you over as if panicked.

Don't just practice getting on, also learn how to right the kayak, if you can get some old out of service rods/reels etc, replace your good gear and make it as realistic as possible every once in a while.

Practice taking control of the scenario if you are the one on the assisting kayak, be the one in charge and control. Communicate instructions clearly so you both understand what's going on. It is best to begin this on the approach, not after you get there and things are already in a state of un-control.

Have a good look at your PFD's etc, do you have a knife/line cutter/scissors in case you become tangled in fishing line or leashes. Do you have a mirror, whistle or VHF to get some ones attention if separated from the kayak. People venturing more than 1km from shore, should also carry minimum a Personal Location Beacon on their PFD.

You can practice poor rescues, a million times and possibly perish, or, you can practise quality rescue techniques frequently and save life's.

Some good links and quality reading;
http://www.canoe.org.au/site/canoeing/ac/downloads/Education/ACAS/Resources/Techniques/Perform%20Deep%20water%20Rescues.pdf
One of my favourite's;
http://www.useakayak.org/recoveries_rescues/panic_approach.html
Some good Video's, the first one's are SIK's but the techniques are good to watch;
http://www.broadbandsports.com/node/27339&gvsm=1


One of the best self rescue video's I have seen, described/shown both off and on the water. The kayak is an SOT fishing kayak loaded with rods, esky, etc, and he simulates a full self rescue including line entanglement. Note how he wraps the anchor trolley around his arm to keep in contact with the kayak, also every thing is leashed so it is not lost. Knife's (though I prefer line cutters to eliminate the risk of a self stabbing), whistle etc on his PFD.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhTQWgRQXZ4[/youtube]

This video is an assisted stern mount, Note how low the stern goes and how easy it is to get on top, great if you are a bigger person and struggling from the side.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orSzHyxcPi8[/youtube]

Planning and preparation, I do not like creates, I would rather get what I can inside the hull and lower the centre of gravity. A clean hull is also easier to re-mount.
A well prepared PFD is also a must if you become separated from your kayak or tangled, line cutter, scissors or knife, also make sure you make the most of every opportunity to be seen and heard. Water dye's, whistles, mirrors, VHF, PLB, on/in your PFD, it may make the difference between life and death;
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpcN1PlNr3c[/youtube]

Keeping your decks as clear as possible, specially if you can keep one completely clear (preferably your stern so you are facing the right way, will allow you the opportunity to at least make a bow or stern mount if you need to;
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCC-oX-OsWg[/youtube]
While not perfect, dry bags can also be inflated and used as a paddle float. If you practise using one, even once, it will set the thought in your memory bank for if and when you do need it;
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyoT0ylenvU[/youtube]

Finally, if you are having trouble righting your kayak and it is upside down, try a stern or bow mount climbing onto the bottom of the hull. Then tip your kayak over and then re-mount or wait for help, at least you are out of the water and possibly warmer.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ne3HPi0k1c[/youtube]


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That's great information ELM, It almost deserves it's own post so that it's easier for people to search for in the future. Maybe something titled "Kayak Safety Tips" or something really obvious. Who cares how long it is, it's really important for people to know around here, especially as the spring thaw hits the northern hemisphere, and we all head back out.

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kallitype wrote:
Thanks for the idea, Bob----sent email and asked for 1/2 dozen of those stickers. We both have full Kokatat dry suits now, by the way!! I am planning on taking the water rescue symposium at Alder Creek kayak in Portland, OR in April. Covers solo and group rescue & reboard, etc etc.


Sorry I pasted the "Sticker link" unintentionally...This is what I was Thinking of..

Open water Kayak riders.....Just a thought.

http://www.kayakfishingmagazine.net/art ... leash.html

See more pictures here....picasaweb.google.com/.../...
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This test by Kayak Angler Magazine shows what happens even on a calm day. Look at :53 on the video...
www.youtube.com/.../

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:05 am 
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augaug wrote:
That's great information ELM, It almost deserves it's own post so that it's easier for people to search for in the future. Maybe something titled "Kayak Safety Tips" or something really obvious. Who cares how long it is, it's really important for people to know around here, especially as the spring thaw hits the northern hemisphere, and we all head back out.


Hi augaug and thanks for the thread complement, though I have not really done much apart from put, what I think, is very good information, together in one place.

Getting involved in kayak fishing with an AI and on wide spaces of salt water, I have spent hour upon hour searching the web for more information on self rescue, assisted rescue, safe useful clothing and equipment.

I feel the information on the kayak fishing sites are inadequate and to be honest, I don't think most of the fisherman are really interested or are willing to spend money on the kayak, but not the safety gear. Very few kayak fisherman practise re-entry and there is not, or at least was not, a lot of information. The other thing I found, was the advise was often different. Then rather than google kayak fishing safety, etc, I started to google just kayak safety, kayak capsize, etc, and what I started to find was touring SIK kayak club sites and that the information and advise was very similar, in fact they had an internationally accepted standard through years and years of knowledge and that they continuously practise capsize and re-entry techniques. The main problems with there advise, is it is all based on clear decks and SIK kayaks not SOT kayaks (even more importantly for me, an AI) with rods, nets, sounder and creates etc, all over the decks.

All this for me was very important, I had been planning some fairly adventurous solo trips (now unable to continue) and I wanted to learn as much as I could, specially being self-sufficient and prepared. I have found two different fellows in trouble and have been able to come to there assistance. The first when I was still very green, he was a huge guy, capsized a Hobie Outback and had absolutely no hope of remounting, exhausted and in a panic. All I can say, is thank god I was on an AI which he almost capsized as well. I was unable to get him on either the AI or his Outback and like kallitype, I ended up towing him and his kayak to shore (again, thank god I was on an AI, sails :wink: )

The second bloke was also extremely tired, shivering (so in an advanced stage of hypothermia, shorts and cotton T shirt :roll: ) clinging to a paddle kayak. I still had not found the article about how to approach from the opposite side, but after my last rescue attempt, I was really wondering how to approach him. Before going to close I started to yell commands and only by accident approached from the opposite side. It made the rescue so much easier. I had also watched some of the ladder mount techniques but had never had the chance to try them, I told him it was experimental and what to do and we were able to get him back on his kayak in one go. After finding the article on how to approach a kayaker in distress from the other side, it seamed so obvious and the realisation of how simple the second rescue was sank in.

Anyway, I am happy to put it up as a separate (new) thread, any suggestions what area would be best?


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Hi ELM,

I would put it under Open Forum - Kayaking, but maybe you want to consider Kayak fishing? I think that's true. People that move to Hobie's from the kayaking world seem to be a bit more aware of safety then people who move to Hobie's from the fishing world. I saw one guy with a sit on top kayak LOADED with permanently mounted fishing gear like separate GPS and fish finders, and all kinds of rods and other stuff, and I thought to myself, how the heck is he supposed to climb back into that boat if he has a problem?

Kayaking is different from fishing, and when you combine them, you really need to put the kayaking safety first, and the fishing gear second. So whether you put it in Fishing, or Kayaking sections on this forum, I hope it gets read, and I hope people head out just a little bit more prepared because of the information.

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I am with Augaug on this one...I see guys loading up with way too much gear. Some kayaks are looking like garage sale tables. We are not riding cabin cruisers here. Agile is the advantage. Weight is the enemy. Take what you use, not what you "might" need.....and leash up on open water.

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