Is it time for separate AI/TI boards?

There are already separate boards for the Hobie Bravo, Wave, Getaway, 14, 16, 17, 18, Tiger, 20 and 21.
Despite their common conceptual origin, the AI and TI seem to be completely different boats, in terms of their sailing characteristics, limitations, equipment problems and transportation.
Why not have separate boards, so the AI and TI owners aren't having to sift through lots of threads that are not relevant to their boat?
Matt?

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Makes sense to me

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Mickey
2016 AI Hibiscus
purchased NEW Nov 2021 - My 5th
Adventure Island Sailing since 2008

Ditto. They seem to be becoming completely different animal.

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Don't take life too seriously................it ain't permanent.

How many people own both like we do? When you have both looking at one forum is easier.

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Jerry D.
St. Johns, Florida
2010 TI
2008 AI

I like reading about the TI here as well as keeping abreast of the AI developments. They are more like big sister/little sister than just cousins and share lots of the same equipment these days. I am for keeping it the way it is now...Pirate

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Master of the galleon 'Pirates Lot'

Jerry, I didn't think you had much interest in the AI any more. The vast bulk of users don't have both boats and it's easy to look at two forums if you do. I'm planning on getting a Hobie Wave, but I'm happy for it to be on a different board. .

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I vote for a single forum for both. They are very similar boats sharing some of the same parts and very similar parts. They have some similar issues: rudder, corrosion, mast support, tramps, scupper holes, leaks, etc. I have several friends with TIs, so I like to read what is going on with them.

Keith

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2015 AI 2, 2014 Tandem

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex ... It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." A. Einstein

"Less is more" Anon

I suppose I don't really care one way or another but it seems like a lot of these issues Keith are TI related not AI. It's getting harder to sift through all the threads to find out what issues are occurring on what Hobie.

I'm looking at a new AI and have in the back of my mind all these problems but it seems that although the TI's and AI's share the same bits, the AI's don't have a rudder, mast support, scupper hole problem. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If any 2011 AI owners out there disagree please speak out now before I part with my 'hard earned'. Howz your's going Pirate ?

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A quick look through "problems" with the AI/TIs, I think there are a lot of similar problems: repair hole/crack in hull, cracked seat fittings, Mirage Drive problems, tramp breakage, click-n-go problems, twist-n-seal hatch problems, front hatch rubber seals, mast collar ball bearings missing, rudder-line failures. I believe both boats have the same rudder in current models and can expect similar problems.

Also, there are outings which are announced--2 boards, 2 announcements or you may miss someone. Then, if there is a discussion, on which board will it be discussed?

I just think there are way too many similarities between the AI & TI to have different forums. Hopefully, from Hobie's perspective, something that works well with one boat will be used to upgrade the other boat. And, as I say, some of my best friends have Tandems--I like to read what is going on with them.

The 2-boards idea is a bit like the old (3 months ago?) Hobie AI/TI forum which opened to 9 different forums. If you wanted to see "problems," you went to the problem forum. If you wanted to see "social" activities, you went to the social forum. And, then, there was the "open" forum, and the "buy/sell" forum. Of course, you jumped around to see a lot of different items all related to AI/TIs. Now, you open the Hobie forum to a single collection of items--the newest items on all forums. You pick and choose what you like to read, sort of like a newpaper. That, to me, is more convenient.

Bottom line, I don't have any problem with a single forum, but it is Hobie's forum. Hopefully, they will do what is best for the users.

Keith

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2015 AI 2, 2014 Tandem

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex ... It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." A. Einstein

"Less is more" Anon

I suppose the biggest disadvantage with having 'a split' is that both forums would be less populated, giving less responsive feedback. That seems to be the biggest death to forums. I spose I am now swaying on keeping it all together. I'm such a slut.

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There are similarities in the two boats. I have been following both here and on the rest of the web. After practicing and being in the EC with a TI singlehanded I am thinking a AI migh be the better boat when I sail alone. This is all thanks to this forum. I would like the forum to stay as is. Don't cut out your cousin from the family picknick...

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Paul
DogsLife
2011 Adventure Island


http://dogslifeadventures.blogspot.com/

Hi Slaughter. I really do appreciate the new 2011 dune AI and its improvements over the 2009 model and am very happy with it. I have had it out quite a few times now and no problems at all, but there are issues as seen in this forum.
I agree with the potential for electrolysis issues with the akas between metals and I am going to drill out my rivots and replace them. That said the ease of attaching the akas to the hull is a huge advantage.
The new rudder as provided stays down if cleated without the bungy which I have cut off. My old boat's rudder stayed in place without cleating. The new promised rudder will make it even better. I believe the new improved transom design is a big improvement which better pin design.
The new tiller arm is just great being larger, softer and easier to steer with.
I love the dune which is an understated colour, resistant to showing damage and
great for fishing.
My belief for problems with some of the gear we read here that is failing and we share with our large sister the TI, is that while it is perfect for our rigs and is most unlikely and almost impossible to bust, is doing so much more work when attached to the TI which is bigger all round and much more demanding on it. Like Mickey stated with his attachment bungys akas to amas which need to be extremely tight or they rub the fittings around. And the overpowered rudder that has caused a major headache for Hobie, the kart issues under the TI which has caused damage because of excess weight etc. Maybe the Ti is just getting too big and heavy to be made in plastic. We will have to wait and see. Having said that I have looked admiringly at Mickey's new TI, and they look gorgeous don't they.
Anyway I would finally like to say that I still believe the similarities and common equipment we share between the AI/TI make reading about both craft very interesting and I would be disappointed to see this forum split up...Pirate

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Master of the galleon 'Pirates Lot'

Hmm - you make a good point here Slaughter.
I don't mind reading about both in the same forum - particularly given that I have both.
There are many issues that are common to both and I would like to see any good points on one added to the other - like the built in dagger board on the TI.
Guess we're just a pair of sluts

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Mickey
2016 AI Hibiscus
purchased NEW Nov 2021 - My 5th
Adventure Island Sailing since 2008

Looks like I'm outvoted . Even the sluts have deserted me .

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Good points though Chris. You can understand us wanting to dissociate ourselves from our big fat sister. I'm sure that on the horse forum the race horses want to split from the draught horses.
(come on Mickey, give me your best shot )

The only reason I participated in this thread was to see if slut was a censored word. Apparently it isn't.

I know (censored) is...... and so is (censored).

Pirate - Thanks mate. This helps me make up my mind on the 2011 model. How much of an advantage do you see the TI dagger assembly over the current AI's ? Is it that much better ?

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