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 Post subject: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:17 pm 
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I was typing this in another thread but thought I would start a new topic on what you "Old Salts" have learned to help speed up rigging and de-rigging.

Another "slowing down my rigging time" step is tying the traps. I tie a bowline (not very quick with this knot yet) to sescure the shock cords to the traps. Do you do something better faster cheaper?

I did install a shock cord loop that is about 4-5 inches long in the deck hole for the dagger shock cords. Then I have a single shock line tied to the dagger that has a plastic hook with a flapper. So all I have to do is hook it up. Much faster than what I had and the tension is already set.

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:23 pm 
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Try leaving your rigging ... except for the forestay ... attached and ready to go .... I at first would tie everything down to the tramp when trailering .... then I installed a Murrays Large Tramp Pack on the boat that I just coil all my rigging up and now just shove into the bag .... I hook a bungie to the center lacing over the bag to keep the bag shut when going down the highway.

I think Murrays sells a "saddlebag" set-up that hang over the mast that you can just shove your rigging in ....

Some guys leave their Jib still furled on the forestay by removing the Forestay/Furler Adjuster (a "jib snorkle/cover" is very useful for this technique) and just tie that down to the tramp also .... I wouldn't do this unless you have a method to cover you boat or a "Jib Snorkle" when not being used ... (UV Exposure to the sail)

As for the rudders .... you can tie them up (each side) to the rear crossbar ... I would advise the use of "Rudder Covers" ... red .... since you may have "overhang" issues ... I used to do this for years (and many miles ...).... but now I take my rudders off and store them in my sailbox .... I have EPOv1's and can not afford to replace them w/ EPOv2's if someone happens to hit me ..... or they break from UV Exposure ....

As for "wenches" .... sometimes they help ... sometimes they slow me down .... HaHaHa .......

(You did mean WINCH ... or is your name actually "Tom Jones" .... YUK,YUK, YUK)

(I apologize for the joke at your expense ..... it's not the first time for that particular mispelling here on this forum ....)

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:38 pm 
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:lol: :lol: :lol: O crap I did spell that wrong :lol: :lol: :lol: Except when my wife is the one hoisting the mast. (good thing she doesn't log onto this forum)

I will look into that pack. I do have a snorkel but was chided about chafing the jib while it flapped during highway travel. I do leave the side stays attached - though on the upper hole and then adjust them down after attaching the forestay. I'll try leaving it all in place and bagging the excess.

Sometimes I load the rudders, sometimes I leave them. I dont have covers yet, but I do protect them when stored in the truck.

By the way big boy - its "technique" 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:51 pm 
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I thought the spelling didn't look correct .....

Thank You for the correction .....

(It's derived from french origonally ????)

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:42 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
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I need to get "spell check" on this thing I quess ...

Hi Jim .... you going to Gunpowder?????

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:04 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:06 am 
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after lowering the mast and securing in to the trailer's mast stands, I leave all the rigging in place and secure it along the mast with long velcro ties. it makes setting up next time very quick.

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:41 am 
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I've already typed out my rigging procedure, and its always the same, so ill just quote it.
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Tips on how to rig/de-rig...

When I take my mast down to trailer the boat, I rarely unattach the rigging from the mast or the boat (only at the end of the year). I leave the shrouds and trap wires attached and coil the wires on the tramp, I then drop the trap handles (dogbones/handles) into the dagger board case. I put the coiled wires under a foot strap, and lash them to it with a bungee, one side is coiled with the forestay, just make sure you have the little jib halyard wire lashed down too.


Before you drop the mast un-tension one of the side stays to the top hole of the chain plate and leave it untill the next time you set up the boat. Leave the other side, as it gives you a referance for what hole the pin needs to go in when you raise the mast the next time.

When you raise the mast attach the forestay in any hole, it won’t matter, you will tension it accordingly in the next few steps.

Re-tension the side stay so it is the identical to the other side.

Take one of your 4 trap wires and head to the front of the boat put all your weight on the trap handle, you can use a trap harness if you need to. Move the forestay as far as you can into the furler and re-pin in the top hole of the furler. I always use the bottom hole for the jib, to keep it as close to the boat as possible.

MAST RAKE

I add a short piece of line to one of the trapeze wires, take it forward and while pulling it taut. I use my thumb to "mark" the line where it touches the pin that holds the bridle to the bow tang.

Then, while holding the "mark" I made I walk it to the back and once again, while pulling it taut, I touch it to the outer curve of the deck where it rolles over to the lip, behind the rear cross bar and on the outside of the boat. This gives a refrence that is the same for all hobie 18's no matter what the shroud lengths are.

A medium air starting setting should be about 4 to 6 inches behind the back of the rear crossbar. Further forward for lighter wind or a heaver crew, and further back for more wind or a lighter crew.

Raking it further forward will reduce your pointing ability, but give you superior performance downwind.

Raking it further back will improve your pointing ability but reduce your downwind performance.

Small adjustments in mast rake can be made with the jib forstay tension.

Adjust the shrouds accordingly and keep them fairly tight, the 18 is not a sloppy boat like the 17 or 16.



As for attaching the trap lines, I use shockcord hooks like these:
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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:18 am 
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Thank you Tom. I am going to experiment with the mast rake settings and how they impact my ability to point higher. I generally sail with a heavy crew - because I set a higher starting point at 270#s. Though that has been coming down. :wink:

I assume that you have the shrouds' location locked in and you dont adjust those when you are making the rake adjustments? The mast rake is "pulled" to position when you are pulling the main sheet? Is this correct?

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:06 am 
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Sailinagin wrote:
I assume that you have the shrouds' location locked in and you dont adjust those when you are making the rake adjustments? The mast rake is "pulled" to position when you are pulling the main sheet? Is this correct?


Correct, I only adjust the shrouds for over all rig tightness. Although if you need to really rake forward you will need to move them up before you rake the mast.
I never attach the main sheet when adjusting the mast rake, and I rarely adjust the rake with the sails up. Just when there has been a major wind change.

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:23 am 
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Tom Machette wrote:
Sailinagin wrote:
I assume that you have the shrouds' location locked in and you dont adjust those when you are making the rake adjustments? The mast rake is "pulled" to position when you are pulling the main sheet? Is this correct?


Correct, I only adjust the shrouds for over all rig tightness. Although if you need to really rake forward you will need to move them up before you rake the mast.
I never attach the main sheet when adjusting the mast rake, and I rarely adjust the rake with the sails up. Just when there has been a major wind change.


I am confused, wouldn't you put the shroud pins in a different hole to adjust the rake of the mast. If the shrouds and forestay are tight the only way to change the mast rake is to move the pin location in both the forestay and the shrouds. The jib halyard would then be used for tension of the jib luff.


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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:38 pm 
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Chet3 wrote:
I am confused, wouldn't you put the shroud pins in a different hole to adjust the rake of the mast. If the shrouds and forestay are tight the only way to change the mast rake is to move the pin location in both the forestay and the shrouds. The jib halyard would then be used for tension of the jib luff.


Sort of...
I can adjust the rake on my boat by 1 hole on the forestay (tighter or looser), but not have to move the pins for the shrouds, because the rig is still tight.

However if I adjusted the mast rake back by 2-3 holes on the forestay, then the shroud pins would have to go down a hole or 2, just to take the slack out of the rig, and to keep the mast standing up straight.

The adjustment for your mast rake is from the forestay.

You are correct about the jib halyard being used for tensioning the luff.

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:50 pm 
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Hi Tom,

It's interesting that we approach our boat tuning from opposite direction ... but end up at the same point ....

I leave my forestay alone usually .... I don't change my mast rake too often since I'm usually racing w/ approximently 310lbs crew wieght .... I may change my rig tension by moving my shroud pins up or down a hole. Now if I'm sailing "heavy" I may adjust/change my forestay by a hole standing my mast up straighter ... and that does mean I have to move my shroud pins a hole or two ....

Now I use Mr Phil Bermans method (yes, I do have a well worn copy in my sailbox ... and no I will not part w/ it .....) for measuring my mast rake .... but for my P19MX I measure my mast rake using the method you discribed (the is no Phil Berman book for a P19) and at one point I was slowly making a "cheat-sheet/chart" for my H18 comparing the two methods ....

I tried some plastic hooks for my trap lines ... but they scratched me ... and must have been cheaper (black) since they would stretch open over time ... so I now just tie bowline knots .....

I leave my sidestays & trap lines attached .... coil them up and either tie them down under my tramp straps ...or stuff them in my "large" tramp pack (which is what I usually do) For my P19 I had Sunrise Products include a large tramp pocket w/ zipper (when I had to buy a new tramp ...) and just stuff them in there ... before that it was the good ol' coil them up and tie them down to the tramp straps .... Now on the P19 it also has a N6.0NA Bowfoil which I do suspend from the mast w/ bungie when trailering since I have broken bridle wires ... (I now use Spectra/vectra/dynema for bridles) ... on that boat as the bowfoil was allowed to "flop" over while rigging, they were only 9"-10"lg and didn't like being bent).

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 Post subject: Re: Faster Rigging Tips
PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:33 pm 
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Ok, so I used Tom's method of checking the rake and found that the "mark" on the line (from the bridle pin) landed me even with the middle of the rear crossbar (at the end of the cross bar).

Forestay has been like that since I got the boat last summer. We sailed in 25 knot winds yesterday and had to launch into the wind - I was noticing I could not point very high into the wind. Definately going to adjust this.

I am at the 4th hole down on my shrouds and the forestay is the 6th hole down on the adjuster plate (lower hole of the two on the furler, I use the upper for the shackle to attach the jib). Does this sound about right for what must be a near vertical mast?

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