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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:10 pm 
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On that note... the amas hang down a lot when fitted off the water... so much so that they will make contact with Hobie Trax 30 wheels and make hauling even tougher (not to mention scuff the ama). Its a good idea to elevate the amas by wedging something (I used my custom paddle) under the rear akas when the amas are pulled backwards. .


Edited please refer to my next post again, apologies :oops:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:32 pm 
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Don, the very first AI's arrived in very limited numbers. Of the models we (SLH) have received everything that arrived had pre-sold, and we still have numerous orders to fill on our next delivery to. Could be that your dealer hasn't had a delivery come in since Islands landed. Could also be that your dealer got their order/s in after other dealers got theirs in. I am not 100% sure how Hobie AU delegate stock these days, but I'm fairly certain it's partly determined on a first-come first served basis (and little or nothing to do with preferential treatment) but when limited numbers of a certain product arrives they do usually try and delegate evenly so that all or most dealers get a bit of love. But it's not always as simple as product X has arrived today, so all stores receive product X tomorrow. Your dealership could be trying to fill a truck full of stock to make the delivery worthwhile, for example, and thats not always easy to do at the drop of a dime. From my time working with Hobie AU I can tell you that there are a lot of factors that would effect how the process works and sometimes delays into store are a result of the ordering done by the dealership (timing, quantities, etc) and not the delegation of stock from the factory

Trust me, if Hobie could have supplied every pre-sold boat in one foul swoop, they would have done it with glee.

Anyway... I'm here to tell you chaps the wait will be worth it. I took mine for a spin in Bass Strait (20 knot northerly winds) on the weekend and oh boy, this thing is god-like in comparison to the old one. Yeah, its much the same thing, but the sum-total of all of the tweaks and changes has made for a faster, more buoyancy, comfortable and responsive ride. Its drier, partly due to sitting higher (xbar knuckles don't get slammed by water as much) and the shape and volume of the bow make for very different dynamics at the front of the boat. It turns tighter, sails into the wind tighter, steering seems more responsive and the action of steering it is improved (if you use the included tiller extender). Furling is a lot smoother, due to added friction plate, pulley block and lack of friction where the sheet runs down the side of the boat. Amas have more length and volume and are harder to bury, and when they do go under they just want to come straight back up. The new seat is a perfect for for the AI to.

Oh, I also caught 3 yellowtail kingfish (hooked 4) in an area that I have fished for the past couple years and only previously hooked one. I was moving pretty quick... I think the extra speed may have made the difference.

Yes the new AI hull is a bit heavier. I barely noticed it at all. Car-topping was no harder than my other AIs. Mind you, I assemble my AI waterside, and transport the boat disassembled. The amas are a lot heavier than the earlier ones, and hauling the entire thing rigged on a wheelcart will make for more work for sure.

On that note... the amas hang down a lot when fitted off the water... so much so that they will make contact with Hobie Trax 30 wheels and make hauling even tougher (not to mention scuff the ama). Its a good idea to elevate the amas by wedging something (I used my custom paddle) under the rear akas when the amas are pulled backwards. This gives plenty of clearance. But yes... I don't plan to haul it around fully rigged anyway.

Oh... and I am yet to notice the lack of side handles, save for the fact that there was nothing scooping water into the seat well ;-)

I'll add some photos later today.



Thanks Josh for explaining that to me.. you know, I have spent well over $15,000 on the Hobie products, and I consider myself Hobie Royal customer. I better off ordering from SLH but I am in Sydney.. :( I haven't been to fishing since Sept 2014. just went up to Noosa with my caravan, and decided to go to Fraser Island with my new AI later in April. Looks like I need to re- organise my trip planning again. this is third time that I need to amend my trip planning because of AI.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:52 pm 
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Yep, I am sitting here thinking exactly what you've suggested because quite honestly, once again you're getting wound up over something that is so ridiculously easy to get around (I could tell you several ways) that it is barely an issue. Maybe its because I work with these boats and have been around the block many times, but I just don't see the issues that are upsetting you worth getting upset about. A little creativity and the itty-bitty problem is solved. Or you could buy a different wheelcart (HD cart and standard Trax should work fine for example).

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:01 pm 
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[quote="Yakass"]Yep, I am sitting here thinking exactly what you've suggested because quite honestly, once again you're getting wound up over something that is so ridiculously easy to get around (I could tell you several ways) that it is barely an issue. Maybe its because I work with these boats and have been around the block many times, but I just don't see the issues that are upsetting you worth getting upset about. A little creativity and the itty-bitty problem is solved. Or you could buy a different wheelcart (HD cart and standard Trax should work fine for example).[/quote


Edited I thought the Trax 2 30 were the small balloon tyres Roller... :oops:

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I'm out of here - negativity getting a bit too much for me. Life is too short

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:26 am 
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Well it appears I may have gotten my knickers in a knot over nothing , I didn't realise the Trax 30 was the big balloon tyres, I did a google search before I commented on Yakasse's post and the searches brought up the standard sized balloon tyre. I haven't been in the loop for a while and didn't realise two balloon tyres were available! I think when I bought my last AI only two carts were available

If the HD or standard Trax cart fits ok and without issue then this will do me, might be nice in the future to have the Trax 30 My apologies to anyone who may have took exception to my post on the subject. I might be a lot of things, but I'll always apologise when I'm in the wrong :D I wish I'd seen this vid beforehand :D

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8EJK24VKh7U

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Is the tiller extension now included with the AU/TI?


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scc wrote:
Is the tiller extension now included with the AU/TI?


No. Still an option.

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Mark, We now have one on display at HWS Belmont, looks awesome, cant wait for the stock to start flowing so we can get one on the water for a try.


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Roller wrote:
Well it appears I may have gotten my knickers in a knot over nothing , I didn't realise the Trax 30 was the big balloon tyres, I did a google search before I commented on Yakasse's post and the searches brought up the standard sized balloon tyre. I haven't been in the loop for a while and didn't realise two balloon tyres were available! I think when I bought my last AI only two carts were available

If the HD or standard Trax cart fits ok and without issue then this will do me, might be nice in the future to have the Trax 30 My apologies to anyone who may have took exception to my post on the subject. I might be a lot of things, but I'll always apologise when I'm in the wrong :D I wish I'd seen this vid beforehand :D

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8EJK24VKh7U


Roller,
You do not need to apologise. You voiced a legitimate concern.
With the new accurate published weights it seems the only scupper carts within spec for the AI are the HD and Trax2-30.
The Trax2 tyres have proven very tough and will probably handle the extra weight but the fact is you are exceeding the cart capacity when transporting the fully rigged AI just by itself.

As an aside I wonder if the AI now requires the use of a scupper cart cradle like the TI?


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Mark, We now have one on display at HWS Belmont, looks awesome, cant wait for the stock to start flowing so we can get one on the water for a try.

I'm assuming this was relating to my inquiry James? If so thanks for the heads up. I'll have to swing by and have a good look.


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As an aside I wonder if the AI now requires the use of a scupper cart cradle like the TI?

Matt, any comments?

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Roller wrote:
Well it appears I may have gotten my knickers in a knot over nothing , I didn't realise the Trax 30 was the big balloon tyres, I did a google search before I commented on Yakasse's post and the searches brought up the standard sized balloon tyre. I haven't been in the loop for a while and didn't realise two balloon tyres were available! I think when I bought my last AI only two carts were available

If the HD or standard Trax cart fits ok and without issue then this will do me, might be nice in the future to have the Trax 30 My apologies to anyone who may have took exception to my post on the subject. I might be a lot of things, but I'll always apologise when I'm in the wrong :D I wish I'd seen this vid beforehand :D

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8EJK24VKh7U


Roller,
You do not need to apologise. You voiced a legitimate concern.
With the new accurate published weights it seems the only scupper carts within spec for the AI are the HD and Trax2-30.
The Trax2 tyres have proven very tough and will probably handle the extra weight but the fact is you are exceeding the cart capacity when transporting the fully rigged AI just by itself.

As an aside I wonder if the AI now requires the use of a scupper cart cradle like the TI?



Thanks Stringy, funny how things turn out. Had I have been aware of the new weight I wouldn't have been so quick to hit the edit button. :o

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KayakingBob wrote:
stringy wrote:
As an aside I wonder if the AI now requires the use of a scupper cart cradle like the TI?

Matt, any comments?



Yes - it would be a good idea. Never leave a kayak (any kayak let alone an Island) on a cart for any period of time, it will damage the kayak.

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So does the TI cradle fit the AI hull OK?


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