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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:14 pm 
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Chekika wrote:
fusioneng wrote:
...The stock TI with it's smallish single boomless sail doesn't point into the wind all that well, typical is around 45 degrees off the wind, if your willing to pedal some you can sail closer to the wind. Keep in mind my TI is pretty modified (typical disclaimer) and It's been 5 1/2 yrs since I have tried to sail a stock TI (without a jib), so my results are different from most so take what I say with a grain of salt...."No wind no problem with an adventure boat", I live by that one (lol).
FE

fusioneng wrote:
...I'm out there most weekends and 90% of the time when I'm out the winds are between 4-7 mph (I don't select that, this is normal wind in our area)...My minimum cruise speed is 8 mph (anything lower than that I fry out there), my preferred cruise speed is 8-12 mph (obviously dependent on how much natural wind I have to work with and the smart use of my Tri-power system). Obviously the boat will do much better in strong winds and the strategic use of power I select to use. but I simply no longer go out in those conditions (I have a really bad back).
FE

The red emphasis is mine. People should realize that fusioneng has a heavily modified Tandem. Most people would have a hard time recognizing that it is a Hobie Tandem if they saw him on the water. He has two 25 hp 4-stroke engines on his boat, a wing sail plus a jib. With those engines, he has to add additional floatation in the stern. He might correct me on that but that is my understanding. He prefers to go out in very light winds. With his engines, he can always get back or get to shelter. So, unless you want to emulate him, take his cruising speeds (>8 mph) and preferred winds (4-7 mph) with a proper understanding of his equipment.

Keith


Hi Keith. Unless my eyesight is completely shot (yeah, I'll have to stop 3-putting) Bob has two 2.3 hp motors on his boat.....


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:41 pm 
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Of course, you're absolutely right. I think I was thinking of the weight or just not thinking.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:45 pm 
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Pete:
Paddling especially in weedy and rocky rivers is pretty neccessary, both the mirage drives and the rudder are pretty useless. Another time that paddling is really neccesary in kayak mode is when going thru rough water and fast moving current. 1/2 to 3/4 of your stability in rough water is with your paddle, don't lose those skills. If I'm kayaking in surf (no sails or ama's) I always have my double ended paddle in my hands. Of course I pedal like crazy but I use my paddle to keep the boat upright, often time in surf the water is flowing the wrong way for your rudder to work, you almost need the paddle to keep the boat straight, I think this applies in both kayak and adventure mode.
We sometime go out and our legs become rubber where we just can't peddle anymore, i give my legs a break and paddle fo a while. Our Ti actually paddles pretty well for a tandem.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:47 pm 
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My take on the original question Pete is that mirage drive use depends.
In open sea with good winds I usually get through any tack and only pedal to get in or out.

However, on Sunday I decided to explore Werribee River in Victoria, Australia.
Perhaps I should have known better as the forecast and tide information told me that
going from the mouth, the river would be ebbing in the morning and the wind would
be on the nose. Then after stopping for lunch, the reverse true.

It took me over 2 hours to get up the river to where I ran out of water, at low tide.
I averaged 1.4 knots to cover some 3.1 Nm and pedalled at Bob's walking pace,
90% of the time. The trip back was much the same although towards the end I was
able to do lots of tacks in the narrow river.

Pedalling wasn't a problem as the serenity and bird life was amazing.

This is the up river track -
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Cheers,
Brian in South Australia


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