Control while surfing Adventure

Kep

I wouldn't risk an expensive Hobie just for a few waves. The small stuff in Tomales Bay is Ok. But breaking stuff can get you even if it's small.

Aloha

Dan

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Hey ya going Aloha
I couldnt agree with you more on that.. I meant only a little bit bigger, not some 25 foot, spitting, death tube ,breaking over razor sharp coral.


Just a little bit bigger, easy, friendly, laid back, crumbling foamball, A frame type of backwash sliders to see what the boat would feel like being powered along a bit by the wave rather than busting major bawls chasing 1 foot boat wakes.
Have fun out there.
....................... -Kepnutz_.................
PS.We will be heading over your way for two weeks in January at Wakiki Beach and then Waikoloa Village on the Big Island. Maybe I will be able to rent a Hobie Kayak somewhere and be able to go out for a bit

Try K&P Kayaks. Kelly Harrison. If anyone has a Hobie for rent he will.

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Where did you get that picture of me?

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kepnutz,

Do you ever go past the "French Cheese Factory" on your way to fish?

Hey Aloha.. Hey Valfit..
I have been to the Cheese Factory in Marin county off Point Reyes-Petaluma rd many times on training rides and century rides but never with the kayaks. We make a right turn on the way home from kayaking a few miles before the factory
Thanks for the rental info Aloha..thats a great shot of you by the way..you're really charging that monster...

-Kepnutz-

kepnuts,

I think they make the absolutely best Cammenbert I've tasted, including sampling in France. Last December, when I found them on my wat to Seattle I purchased 7-8 roounds of their oldest (on sale). Upon returning home I wanted more and tried to get them to ship me some. They refused!

I'v since been looking for someone who would be willing to purchase and shi some of this wonderful cheese to me.

Would you be so kind?

We could continue this privately at [email protected] if you wish.

Val

Hi -Ya Valfitty
Great news... Your favorite cheese factory in Marin now has a web page and an internet store.... http://www.marinfrenchcheese.com/Store/ ... =1&CatID=1
You can shop to your hearts content, online from the comfort of your own home, and they will ship your cheese via UPS anywhere you need it to go...
In fact they also have a section on their page whereby any of your local wholesale gorcerey chains and large or small markets could become an offical Marin Cheese Factory distributor and contains all the links with complete information on all their cheese products/shipping/upc codes/shelf life/ordering information and.advertisments etc etc
You could even become the local distributor of Marin Cheese in your own neighborhood if you so desired and order it in by the truckload




....Enjoy...
..........Kepnutz...........

Hay Kep,
I know most of all that, but here is the problem.

The cheese I like, I like ripe. When I bought some there it was store ripe and ON SALE. Relatively cheap.

I called them when I returned home and ordered the same stuff. They REFUSED to ship it. No reason given. I suspect they thought I was out of my mind.

Any way couldn't do business withthem. Been looking for analternate since.

Guess I'll give it one more try.

Thanks for the url.

Val

I have done all kinds of things on waterskis and after looking at the pics of the surf ski posted by kepnutz here is my take on the design of that thing from the perspective of a lifelong waterskier. It looks like the wide upswept nose would help keep the nose of the surfski above the surface of the water as the wave was pushing from behind. The adventure would otherwise pearl under the same conditions. The narrow deep hull design at the nose would likely help the yak track from the front and resist being pushed to the side. I am assuming (since the photo did not show it) that the underside of the surf ski at the rear would be flat or designed where it would make for poor tracking. Picture the underside of your Adventure from the rear and picture the center section removed and the two side sections coming together. The following wave would have only the gunwales to push rather than additional surface below the water to get you sideways. Working with that narrow deep hull design in the front it probably helps. That front narrow hull design probably tapers off to the rear otherwise the rear would seem to get squirrely. Just a theory.

Have done a good bit of kayak surfing, but principly in WW kayaks, surf specific kayaks and surf skis. I was suprised to sea kayaks in the open class compitition of the one and only compitition I entered.

There were two of them and they were screeming down five /six foot waves with very good controle. They were not side surfing, but angeling across the waves. I can't remember if they had rudders., but they were in 17 ft decked sea kayaks. I suspect that they did use rudders and used them to keep the boats from broaching. I suspect that they also maintianed enough forward momentum to keep the stern from passing the bow.

In the longer boats that I have surfed, I needed more speed and bigger waves in order to keep the boat tracking. I think that having a thumb controle would make operating the rudder in the surf next to imposible as you would also need the be using the paddle to keep up your speed and to brace. Without a foot controled rudder, you will probably be limited to side surfing, and, with a shore break, side surfing may be the only safe way in. The rudder should definately be up in the side surf. I would also take out the drive and secure it very well.

Riding an ocean swell may be a different story. The Adventure may have enough speed to do that using rudder and peddle drive.

Ted

Not sure I posted this in reference to surfing kayaks here, but the Maui is a great little surfing kayak:

http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaking/video/ ... 232005.wmv

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Matt Miller
Former - Director of Parts and Accessory Sales
Warranty and Technical Support
Hobie Cat USA
(Retired 11/7/2022)

Note that in the film he is padeling an 11 ft boat without rudder or mirage drive. And, those are nice fat, glassy waves that break into gentle foam piles. We don't get those in Florida very often

Also note that he is using forward strokes on the wave to keep speed up and some hard paddle rudder on the shore side of the wave to avoid the broach.

It's doable and fun, but a lot easier with a hard chine and a flat bottom (on the boat that is), and you probably don't want to be out in steep waves as big or bigger than the ones he is riding.

Ted

So what TJ,

The Mirage boats were NEVER proposed for surfing application. Take one into the surf for fun and see what transpires and what is necessary to do it safely. Personally I wouldn't riskmy $400.+ Mirage just to play in the surf. I, and most Mirage users would at least remove it and leave it ashore.

Want to play in the surf, go rent/purchase a hull to do it safely, and take a lesson or two so you dont kill yourself or other person enjoying that sport.

But for fishing, the Mirage is unbeatable!!

That is me in the Maui. I agree that the Maui is better suited for surf than any of the Mirage models... for "surfing" due to the hard chine. BTW, I love larger waves on that boat. Surfs great!

I tried surfing the Sport...

The Sport is the only other Mirage hull that is close. I do not really like the MirageDrive for surfing as the drive tends to ventilate just as you get moving into the wave. The drive offers too much drag once you get going. It has too much lateral resistance too. Also, the rudder systems are not meant for the hard lateral loads of sliding sideways in the wave, but it did work. I found the transition from rudder steering to paddle to be impossible. You really need the paddle in your hands for bracing in the surf.

So, for surfing... rudder up and paddle in hands is best on all models.

Unless you can outrun the wave.

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Matt Miller
Former - Director of Parts and Accessory Sales
Warranty and Technical Support
Hobie Cat USA
(Retired 11/7/2022)

Right Matt, out run'em! Got to get super turbo fins to do that, AND have legs of steel.