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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:12 am 
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What an adventure. Against all advice I grew impatient of my inability to utilize my new toy. After spending 10 days and one transmission getting it home, it was high time the thing got wet. SO...

A friend and I set it up on Saturday, looks good too. All the pieces were there and it seemed like we actually had a functioning boat. So Sunday the my wife, son and I set off to enjoy the fore casted light winds. We get to the lake - winds whipping at 15-20mph - white caps and all. We can hack it. My wife and I manage to set the boat up just fine by ourselves, quit proud we were. We decided to run only the mainsail (60% power) on account of the high-for beginner winds. We can hack it.

Another problem was the wind blowing straight into the beach, making it dang hard for a novice to launch the boat, but we can hack it. So off we go into the wild brown yonder of a local lake (checking carefully for power lines)... only to learn that our rudders do not lock properly in place. The force of the water was causing them to push up, losing steering. They seemed to lock find when I tested them on land, but no longer apparently.

So, at the mercy of the wind and with much swearing and freaking out between us I go over board to fix the problem. To no avail. Into the woods we go (the lake is flooded, as they all are around here). We get the boat situated and kind of stagger around on board for a while. Realizing we are screwed we secured the boat and abandon ship (second time I abandoned this boat! First was on account of a failed transmission in Albuquerque. The shame, the shame.).

Luckily the calvary arrived in the form of a friend on a jetski (770cc!) and another friend in a 6 cylinder inboard ski boat. We used the jet ski to tow the boat into the wind and back to the beach with no real problems (held the tow line, braced self on front crossbar). So while the fam enjoyed the ski boat and jet ski a friend and I sojourned on. We secured the rudders in place by alternate means and prepared to launch - by god desperate times. Ignoring my explicit and repeated instructions my friend decided it wasn't that important to keep the boat pointed directly into the wind and off it sails. I grab a line, hop on board and all 150 lbs of me is sailing on a broad reach with 20 mph winds. I turn into the wind before dumping the boat and head back for my buddy. We sailed around for an hour or so. According to the speedometer on the boat we got up to 20 mph (not bad with one sail!). Even got the hull out of the water for a few seconds (before turning upwind in a panic... I dont want this to be an even longer story).

We finish up and head to shore. Where we start taking the boat down. Again proclaiming himself an expert my friend decided to twist the mast too far while setting it down and broke the mast hinge (ummm, thanks for the help). So I'm shopping for a new mast hinge (the female - attached to the mast, part broke)... we headed for home. Rudders need fixing, mast hinge needs fixing, left side hull takes on a bit of water (5 hours in the lake, 2" of water. Need to figure that out).

Swap the truck for the car, head to BK for some supper. Wait in the 3 car line at BK for 15 minutes (really). Shut car off... tired of idling. Line moves after 5 minutes - car wont start! I apparently found a dead spot on my started or , or something! So I had to push my Taurus past the windows at BK. Oh the humanity. A pair of jumper cables started it back up (not the starter, whew).

BUT! Through it all I actually got the boat to sail really well. It floats, it turns (really hard though, another issue I want to look into. Probably because the rudders were not down properly), and I have some degree of competence in sailing. *SOME* being an extremely relative term.

Things I learned:
- Without a rudder, a sailboat will go downwind and you can not stop it
- Wives do not respond well to "do something damn it!"
- I have yet to acquire that magical 6th sense that tells me where the wind is
- A mast hinge assembly costs about $30 - I'm buying 2
- My trailer is a strange monstrosity. Neither particularly practical nor even the least bit pretty. The registration reads "Manufacturer: HOME." But it is built at least twice as sturdy as need be and it works
- Booms can move very fast - 'nuff said

How hard should it be to lock a set of EPO rudders in place and then unlock them. I'm confident mine are either broken, or adjusted wrong somehow.'

Anyway, good times were had in the end. A few minor issues to work out before fleet 25's fun sail in 2 weeks, but we should be ready to show off. I better get some prettier bungees for the trailer. :wink:

ps. Best place to get a new mast hinge, thingy. And at the rudder lock mechanism. And a part number/actual name would help too. (told you the day I needed advice would come!)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:16 pm 
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Man, sounds like there was a curse on that boat. IF you believed in that stuff. :wink: HAHA Most important thing is you learned what needs to be worked on without any major issues happening. And yes, the boom can hurt. I personally never got hit by one but had friend that did years ago. Once you get the "bugs" worked out, you'll have lots of fun.


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The boom deal may seem funny but pay attention. Accidental gybes can be deadly and one was, in fact, just that for Bruce Goldsmith this June at the Commodore Perry Race in Michigan. He was knocked overboard and was recovered with a fatally broken neck.
There really is not any reason to accidental gybe unless you are really out of it or just like to push the envelope and screw up.


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No accidental gybing and no severe injuries. We were intentionally turning, just did so at an inappropriate speed/preparedness level. The story was just more fun the way I said it. :wink:

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60650011 MAST HINGE CSTG H18 BLACK 35.95 as for the rudder lock downs it depends on your style of rudder old or new . also make sure the cams aren't locked over

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:37 am 
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831 359-5918 is jeremy from surf city cats he's really good about getting parts and shipping them out

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:52 am 
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hobie18rich wrote:
60650011 MAST HINGE CSTG H18 BLACK 35.95 as for the rudder lock downs it depends on your style of rudder old or new . also make sure the cams aren't locked over


What do you mean about "locked over" I blew out both my cams on my last trip and they seemed to be especially hard to lock. Could I have been forcing "locked" cams? Mine don't rotate, should they?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:19 am 
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if the cams can't rotate you should probably replace them
RUDDER CAM KIT Replace the rudder
cam and flared pin with this kit that includes
a pair of cams and a pair of binding post
screws.
5202 H14/16
5204 Wave, 17 and up* *(H18 ‘86 & up)
these are little things and will make your sailing more enjoyable do you know any experienced sailors in the area?
good luck i had a 18 for 10 years and loved the boat but i just moved up to a tiger sold my 18 2 days ago
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The resistance in the cams is set by the big screw under them correct?


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The resistance in the cams is set by the big screw under them correct?

Yes, but from personal experience lubing the cams where the plunger contacts them is very important. Kept adjusting the tension screw, but couldn't get very good action until someone gave me some marine grease to apply. Worked wonderfully after.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:27 pm 
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My "big screws" are so hard to turn I assumed they were "fixed". As mentioned I blew out my cams last time out and this explains everything. I'm afraid I'd have the same fate with my new ones if not for this post. Thanks again folks.


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Should the plastic cam that locks the rudder move when the rudder is moved up or down?

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Yes...there is a metal plate in the casting that rotates the plastic cam down to a locked position as you lower the rudder. Raising the rudder engages the same metal plate on the cam to rotate the cam upward.


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I built the rudder together like shown in the manual (plastic cam in down position).
But the plastic cam doesn't move. I also had to replace one and hoped with the new one it would work normal, but it doesn't.
I built the rudder together several times to fix the problem, but without any succes, I don't see the problem.

I can move the rudders up and down, it just jumps out of the plastic cam without moving it. I can lock the rudders in the down position, but not if they are up.

Does anybody sees what I'm doing wrong or has a detailed picture that shows the plastic cam in every position?
Would be great.

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