want to buy some wings!

hey anybody out there with a set of wings either magnum or sx for sale? or does any one know of any for sale? my boat is an 78' std. h18. i would be willing to travel for a decent set. thanks. if your the seller or have any info you can email me or reply. wesmx916 at hotmail dot com

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Wes
92 Miracle 20 + magnum wings

wings for sale in NC. The guy has posted on this site, no prices and he isn't interested in taking them apart to ship( spoke with him about getting it as a project but he gave the hulls away)

thanks buddy, i appreciate your help but, i found some magnum wings! bought em from a guy out of Santa Cruz! i had to buy the whole boat to get them though. i'm going to work on the boat to spiff it up and replace some of the lines and shock cords and also give that hull some shine and re-sell it.

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Wes
92 Miracle 20 + magnum wings

hey Wes nice work.My girl is already jealous,she wanted me to get wings for my boat.Check with some of the guys out here,I remember someone saying something about reinforcing the hulls on stock 18's do to the extra load and leverage.Seeya on the lake.
shawn
82 H18 #8211
Div3

I would add the support plates to all beam mounts before anything else. That means a total of ten on each Hobie 18 to avoid failure of the beam hull - deck connections.

Love my wings but watch the load rating, which should be on a label on the wings.

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1987 Hobie Holder 20 #273

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Once again thanks for the helpful advice guys. what does support plates to all beam mounts mean? are these plates i can by somewhere. i need ten of them! just not following, sorry. shawn was also thinking that i would need to re-enforce my hulls as well. my boat is a 78'. does it matter that my hulls are built " a little heavier"or "stronger" than some of the later years? i definitly don't want to destroy my boat, so thanks guys -wes-

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Wes
92 Miracle 20 + magnum wings

Older or newer H18's, but especially Coleman H18's, once you mount wings on the boat, the sidewall of the hulls take an extra loading. Over time, (especially if you go wave jumping, or put three or four on a wing,) the hulls will weaken, and at a time when you least expect it, they will fracture.

The ANCHOR PLATE KIT, #64100001, page 56 of the current catalogue, consists of a s/steel plate that fits under the lip of the decking, each plate to be mounted inboard and outboard of each cross bar. So my math tells me that is eight altogether. This plate absorbs much of the vertical loading, and allows the load to transfer more evenly to the vertical walls of the hulls. Without the plate, the stresses between the cross bars and the hulls ends up in a problem over time.

At each cross bar end, (inner and outer), undo the nut that threads on from underneath the lip, slide the anchor plate upwards over the bolt, tap it to seat it properly underneath the lip, and re-tighten the bolt. Tricky part is that you then have to drill through the sidewalls of the hulls, and insert and tighten the 4 Screw/nut/washers that secure the lower part of the Anchor, and then FIBREGLASS the holes with the screw/nut/washer in place.

Front cross bar is fine. To do the rear ones means you'll have to cut into the decking behind the rear cross bar to gain access. That means you'll then have to mount a 5" port.

Check with your dealer, or others in your area who have done this before.

Email me off line at lunnjohn at magma dot ca if you want more details or pictures.

More snow tomorrow puts the kaibosh on ice sailing this week. Can't wait for spring.

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John, your right, eight plates will do the beam attachment points. Just make sure the side shroud attachment points have them also. (That makes Ten)

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1987 Hobie Holder 20 #273

dale.vanlopik"at"att"dot"net

Yea Wes ,they have the right info.
I didnt mean to actually reinforce the hulls just put the reinforcement setup
in as mentioned above.Hope this helps you out,I have a couple of 5" porthole kits in the garage if you need them.
shawn
82 H18 #8211
Div3

Ok, I gotta weigh in here. The pre 1980 H-18's are built hell for stout. There is a LOT more fiberglass in those boats. The hulls weigh around 150# each. Compare that to 135# for the 1980 -1983, The 84 -86 boats weigh in around 115# to 120#, and around 110# per hull for the 1988 and newer.
Putting the Anchor Plate Kits on the inside and the outside of the front cross bar and where the shroud goes thru the lip of the deck is highly recommended on all model years, but putting them on the rear is a bit over the top in my opinion.
I have put them on the outer side of the rear cross bar on the 84-86 Coleman boats that were a little weak, but getting them on the inside of the rear crossbar is next to impossible. I have a hard time just getting the stock U-Channel load spreaders in and out of that location.
Add the work involved in cutting into the decking and putting in a 5" port and it is really more work than the benefit achieved is worth on a boat that old and that stout.
If you DO put in a port, put the leading edge of the port AT LEAST 8 to 10 inches behind the rear of the rear crossbar, use a port with a ring that is shaped or tapered to match the curve of the deck, and use plastic or stainless screws and nuts, NOT Pop rivet's. The pop rivet's pull thru the inner layer of fiberglass and the foam core. Also, seal the edges of any hole you cut with silicone to prevent humidity from leeching into the foam core and creating soft spots in the deck around the new port

The stuff you guys tell others is so telling. First, never put three or four people on your wings. They are weight rated at 350lbs, 2 adults. Second, there is no reason to cut the rear of your hulls to install the support brackets unless cracks are allready apparent. The wings prevent the boat from flying a hull high and thus eliminate some of the side load, not increase it. There are areas internally that can be reinforced and should on the newer boats, on a '78 its not nearly as important. So, install the supports inside and out on front crossbar and at the shrouds. Glass reinforcement patches inside if you wish. Watch the welds on your wings for cracks as failure may occur. I think you are a lake sailor primarily, most of the reinforcement issues are ocean related. I have torn the hull loose from the top at the rear crossbar on my old 18 from wave jumping and repaired it by cutting a porthole and installing the brackets, all while flowing resin into the crack. It worked perfectly and never leaked. Unfortunately the boat was T-boned in a race and destroyed. I now have a '81 which is currently getting its first bottom job. Enjoy the wings when cruising but remove them if you plan on racing as they slow the boat down.
Later

such valuable info! thankyou. a couple of my questions are...please excuse my(and im making my own word here)-> "amaturismness" , but are these enforcements to help redirect the increased side load pressure on the hulls like mentioned or...are we talking more about strengthening the actual crossbar or maybe both together. the boat that I took them off of is an 82'H18 and it looks like there was nothing done to it at all as far as reinforcements . everything seems to be in very good condition structurally. I know the boat was used in the ocean. just want to make sure that the work i will be doing to it as far as extra strengthening will be worth the time and cash spent on the project. if anyone has any pictures they can show me of some of this work, i would be stoked. even just pics of the brackets some of you have mentioned would be great! thanks so much

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92 Miracle 20 + magnum wings

i have another question. how do the wings slow you down? arent they a leverage increase. so that by trapping out on them, skippy and crew, you can actually "capture" (for lack of a better word) more wind by having more leverage on the boat being a couple of feet farther out on the windward side. or am i totally missing the point and wings are just for sitting on and being comfy but they offer zero for performance gain. I mean i know the extra weight hurts ya a little bit but is there something else as well? just curious. guys you gotta relize that i probably have the least experience here so never mind some of the silly questions please....

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Wes
92 Miracle 20 + magnum wings

I wouldn't say slower, but I would say no faster. I'm not sure the Magnum ever drew the attention of any top 18 sailors to be given a fair chance at being proven faster...from the racing standpoint. You could probably take a top 17 sailor, with a good crew, put them on a Magnum and at least hold their own.

To get optimum "leverage" from double trapping, ideally you'll be on the same plane with the trampoline. Trapping on the wings moves you out, but also higher above the tramp (I wonder what that angle up actually is?) For windward/leeward, around the cans, racing there is serious time to be lost in tacking. That's probably where any significant speed difference is lost, coming in off the wings to prepare to tack. At non-trapeze wind speed the extra weight is obviously a deterant.

I "felt" disconnected from the boat trying to drive while trapping from the wings. Again, I may not have given them a fair shake. My two cents.

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You guys and your maxi-pad boats. Just got to have wings, right?

The wings are slower. There's a reason none of the newer high-tech boats use them. The weight, time lost in tacks, drag from waves, and higher trap angle combine to make them ineffective.

BUT>>>>

If you could care less about racing or going as fast as possible, they are a very comfortable way to cruise around the lake with the wife, g/f, or kids. My g/f loved the wings...for various reasons

Red Bull also gives you wings, and it's a lot cheaper.

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www.velocitysailing.com
2006 N20 1017
1998 H16 102698
www.sunjammers.com ftw!