Rigging HELP please!

I am not talking about going into the business of rigging and my old hobie does not have the roller swaged marine thimble on one end just two standard stainless steel thimbles held on by nicopress sleeves. That may be a function of it's age or it may have been replaced by any of it's former owners I don't know. I will certainly concede that if you are only making one shroud then it is cheaper to order from Hobie or Murray's or anyone else. However even rigging that is made professionally needs to be checked after they are on the boat. There is not a boat/mast made that is perfectly centered and every boat from a Maxi racer to a Sunfish is going to require tuning that will involve adjusting the rigging in situ. Even my old boat has adjustable attachment points although no turnbuckles a feature that I am going to remedy in the next week. That will probably render it illegal to race but that is not an issue for me. I am rehabing a very old abandoned boat with mast issues that perclude pre-made rigging. I pulled the following off the web for consideration.

250' roll of vinyl covered stainless steel cable E-rigging $81
bag of 50 zinc coated copper sleeves E-rigging 23.50 approx 0.50 each
1/4" zinc coated copper sleeves E-rigging 1.93 each
hand swaging tool Westmarine 25.99
1/4" thimbles bosum supply 0.90 each
1/8" stainless steel thimbles E-rigging 0.27
3 sailboat rigging books from amazon price range 6.85 to ridiculous
say an average of $15
1 Case of Beer Safeway supermarket Memorial Day Weekend sale price 12.99.

I admit price of beer could vary between locals and tastes. Books may have shipping charges. It doesn't matter what you buy from Westmarine you have paid more for it than from somewhere else - but they do have nearly everything - so you pay for convenience. A 250' roll is excessive but I personally always screw up at least one line, others can do better. Then I can use the rest next time - if I can find it. Using a hand swage is a pain in the posterior but it can certainly be done and if you are sitting in the middle of the pacific or at some lovely/God foresaken island - it is a handy skill to have. I realize this is not likely to be an issue with most hobie rigging. Rigging cable can be cut with a cold chisel or a hacksaw although it is better to spring for the wire cutter which can add another 35 dollars to the total cost. Back in the day - I usually managed to hit my thumb at least once with a hammer and poke at least one finger with an old pice of cable so you could probably add the cost of a couple of bandaids. If you are in possession of all the equipment you have shown in the picture than I am envious and I have no doubt that you can turn out a superb product.


sk

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Standing rig should be 1X19 not 7X19. And clear? Not sure how that will hold up in the UV. You're better off going bare.





Different Hobies use different terminals for reasons determined by a team of very intelligent engineers. I posted the aircraft eye since this is the Hobie 18 forum, which uses both types of terminals. One problem with making rigging without a pro rigging bench is that it's very difficult to get them the right length...not to mention the same length. Sure people build their own rigging all the time, it's just something to take seriously. Mast's coming down is a very bad thing. I've been onboard a few boats that lost their rigs, both multis and monos and it's no fun. It breaks a lot of stuff... including last summer some kids arm. Yes I have all the tools to build rig, but I don't need the liability, I stock Hobie OEM for Hobies. In my opinion it's the best stuff on the market.

Don't forget to replace your anchor pins:

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nice anchor pin jeremy is that my old one?

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Just curious, what does the 7x19 designation on bulk cable represent?

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Why do you need turnbuckles on your 18? If you tighten them down too tight wont that put too much stress on the crossbar and make the rig not rotate right?

First off an apology. I have wandered onto a 18 forum while I am trying to rehab a very old 16. The comments on rigging here are better than anything I found anywhere else.

The forestay tang on the boat that I inherited was trashed and the new and far better ones - do not fit in the old holes. It was close enough that drilling at that site would have created a significant weakness. So I had to go higher which is why I came to this forum originally. I have no choice but to either buy or make custom rigging. The old rigging was pretty beat as well so that was another incentive. As far as turnbuckles fine adjustments are much easier with a turnbuckle than with the multi hole adjustment that tang that comes with it. Yesterday while trying to adjust the shroud I dropped the retaining ring into some fairly long grass causing me to use language inappropriate to a Sunday.

As far as hobie parts being superbly well made I am in complete agreement. This boat has been sitting unprotected for at least 30 years and after cleaning off dirt the jam cleats, travellers and main blocks they are all working perfectly. Which is pretty impressive really.

I have had the very unpleasant experience of having a mast come down on two occasions. One on a hobie when the port forestay tang parted and the other on a Benateau when a turnbuckle gave way and we had to cut the stays to keep the mast from holing the hull. Anything that one can do to avoid this is worth doing.

regards SK

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Hey Shawn,
What part of CA are you in, would a new mast help? I've got about 5 decent masts left that survived my recycle trip yesterday. Send me an email if interested and we'll talk particulars. I'm sure I know some people near you that could help get your boat rigged right.

On the 16 you use the jib halyard to tension the rig. The stay adjusters just hold the mast for proper rake. No need for turnbuckles. You want the jib to take the weight of the rig, so that it makes a more efficient foil. You probably have all the gear to rig it right, so save your dough on the turnbuckles--- they're not cheap and not necessary.

Let us know where you are and we can hook you up with a fleet or someone that can help get your boat rigged right. It will probably save you some $$ in the long run.

Also on the 21st of June we are having a tune up day here in Santa Cruz. There will be a lot of great sailors on hand to answer any questions about your boat.

Hopefully that helps.

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Jeremy,



How about passing on to your gang at the clinic the NOR and Registration form for our event. Especially to the 17, 18 and Tiger guys. It's not that far north and we'd love to see some of your sailors up this way.

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I'm happy to help in anyway I can Paul. Email me a reg form and I'll hand them out.