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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:00 am 
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I sail on a river usually in the no wake zone. It has a channel and on low tide a boat can easily get stuck if it strays outside it. Now, my story.

I kind of feel bad about it now, but at the time, it was probaly one of the funniest moments of my life. I was sailing down wind straight down the channel. I was on the left side right at the edge of the channel ( it was low tide and my rudders hit the mud if i go out of it). An approx. 35' sea ray cruiser was about 20' behind me and making me pretty nervous. I looked back and saw the driver, who looked like a 17 year old girl and her friend.
I held my course until i looked back and saw the girl actually giving hand movements, like move out of the way im awesome even though i have the whole channel and i can easily pass on the right i want to go straight signals. Well, i got pretty mad. So i moved a bit to the right to try and entice her to pass me on the left. Well, needless to say she took the bait. The sound of her propeller churning of the bottom was priceless.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:31 pm 
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The regs talk about "commercial" fishing boats with their lines overboard. If they're just weekend warriors fishing, they have no more rights than any other powerboater.

Boats "towing" also have the right of way over sailboats. Skiiers get a little more tricky. I once posed this very question to Captain Jack, who instructs instructors on the Gulf Coast in Texas. He was very vague about whether a ski boat towing a skiier is truly a boat under tow. I've had dads drag their kids right in front of my bow. Luckily, every time the kid dumped, it was out of my path, but I've always sweated the "what if" factor. I can certainly tell you I wouldn't drag my kid right in front of some "rag hanger" I didn't know.

Last year, I had the chance to be crew on a Swan 41 (I'm also a monohull sailor). We came out of the Alameda Estuary under power into San Francisco Bay, and we were on a collision course with a commercial fishing boat, with no tackle out. The two captains held course because one thought he had the right of way because he was a commercial fishing boat, the other thought he had rights because they didn't have any tackle out. Eventually, the fishing boat throttled up and steamed straight at us, just clearing our stern as they screamed obscenities at each other about having rights. At the time, I wasn't sure who had rights, but I knew that if the fishing boat was in the right, he was required to maintain speed and course, which he obviously and dramatically didn't, as he exhibited the nautical version of road rage.

On a slightly less professional basis, in a small inland lake we used to sail on often, I (being on a starboard tack) was on a collision course with a pseudo-buddy of mine (being on a port tack) who had dropped something in the sole of the cockpit and bent down to retrieve it (I'm thinking it was a beerverage). Because it appeared to me to be an unmanned vessel (and I didn't trust his helmsmanship), I veered dramatically to avoid a collision and casually commented he might want to brush up on the rules of the road (did I mention he was ten feet away as I did so?). The next week, at our monthly sailing meeting, he challenged our relative positions. When I clearly explained that I was the stand-on vessel, he excused his own behavior and backtracked saying that I had violated my own standing by veering off. I stated that regardless of who had the right of way, I had avoided a collision that I felt was imminent (remember constant bearing, decreasing range?), and had jeopardized no one with my actions.

The end result is that you don't want maritime law to determine culpability after an accident. We're all still required to avoid a collision. It costs us so little to tack and go way out of our way. Unless I'm being driven into another boat, lee shore, etc. I won't get so bent out of shape that it ruins my or my crew's day. When it comes to my crew's safety, I'll be very vehement about the rules of the road, and possibly try to educate someone who comes close enough for the lesson to be of particular value.

I hope I didn't sound anti-racing (would that be racism?) on my previous post. I used to race monohulls professionally. I believe that courtesy demands the cruiser to go around the racer if there are no safety considerations, but I've been in situations where there was little leeway and the racers in question thought they owned the water. We can both coexist as brethren with similar goals, just different ways of achieving them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:39 pm 
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Chris,

You are so correct, we all must sail/boat in such a manor as too avoid collisions.

Among us "hunters" the is a common courtesy, an unwritten rule ... You do not interfer w/ another hunter's or hunting parties hunt. This is an extention of the "Golden Rule". I consider sailboats racing, when I'm not to be "on the hunt" and will stear clear.

Now to be fair ...

Last weekend I was racing from the Magothy River to Baltimore's Inner Harbor on my friend's 43' Tri w/ a 60'mast (she is big, beautiful and fast!!!). Now the "Inner Harbor" has a tight neck, where they place the finish line ... here we come w/ the spin up making gybe after gybe up the Patapsco River ... here we come on a starb run getting ready to make the last gybe onto port and lay the finish line pin ... the line was from a bulkhead on-shore to a pin 150' out (it is tight and UNFORGIVING) .... there was a mid 30's powerboat on our port quarter/beam pacing us .... I hailed the skipper (on the flying bridge w/ family) and pointed at the yellow ball/pin ... "We are finishing our race at that yellow ball" ... the skipper waved back and immiediately placed his engines in reverse and stopped his boat .... I gave him the biggest two-armed thumbs-up I could!!! ... Then we gave them a show of a perfect gype .....

To Rich McViegh: We saw you off of Bodkin Pt ... you crossed our bows and tacked about 100yds north of us ... we were the big Tri w/ the HUGE purple/green/blue chute flying ....

FYI: Fitness Resourse/David Nice w/ a crew of Beach Cat/Hobie sailors finished in 1st place ... TripleThreat, (the boat I was on) w/ a crew of Beach Cat/Hobie sailors finished in 3rd just missing correcting into 2nd place!!!! I was asked later, what are you guys doing to be so fast? My reply was ... "both boats are crewed by BEACH CATTERS!!!!! and we know how to sail FAST!!!!!"

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:29 pm 
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I should mention that I do most of my sailing in Raritan Bay, NJ, where there a lot of very large commercial traffic manuevering into and out of the Authur Kill. It has become a very sore point with the Coast Guard that under no circumstances should any boat be moored or fishing in a channel. Unfortunately, far too many pleasure boaters do just that as the current is swifter and the fish like that.
Since we're out every Wednesday night and several 2 day regatta weekends too, I can tell you the heavy metal only cares about not running aground on their way in or out.

I unfortunately, was witness to an accident a few years back, where a barge pushed by a tug ran over a 20' foot boat drifting in the channel. We threw off the mooring (having just finished racing) and rushed to their aid. It took at least 45 seconds for the tug's rig to stop after the collision. When we came upon the fishermen, one was unconcious in the water... he lived. It's a miracle they both were not killed. Their boat went under the entire length of the barge.

The Yacht Club themselves got into trouble with the Coast Guard because of a couple hot dogs out sailing on Wendesday nights. Seems they just could not resist crossing under the bow of that 300' long bulk carrier, navigating in a narrow channel. The helmsman on that ship not only is 300' away, but nearly 70' in the air... do you think he'll see your 30' mast?

I could go on and on...
Be conservative, be safe.

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A humorous approach to dealing with disrespectful PWCs and power boaters who can't obey the rules of the road.

This was posted in 1996 on the E-Zine...On the Wire (now hosted on www.thebeatchats.com). It, and other stories written in that e-zine, are still some of the funniest stories I have read in a while.

Enjoy!

Drej

http://www.thebeachcats.com/OnTheWire/www.west.net/_lpm/hobie/archives/v1-i2/humor.html


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:16 pm 
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There are jerks, stupid ones and many that are just simply not educated on rules of the road on the water. Thank golly there are some with water etiquette so to speak.


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