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CptanPanic
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Hello,
Well I was able to put up sail in my backyard, but when I went to the water today I couldn't get my sail up the last 3 inches. I have a non-comp-tip mast and it seems that the cable stop was getting hung up coming out of the sheave and not the bracket that is supposed to grab it. I tried pulling in all directions and even pulling far in front of mast but to no avail and ended up just tying off the line. Next weekend I plan on trying to raise the sail with the mast horizontal on the ground to see what is going on, but does anyone have any ideas?
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kylegless
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i had the same problem. some lube and then a few practice runs are a good idea. i was going to try raising it with the mast horizontal but didnt have to.

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I have to lube the crap out of mine. Am going to inspect it when the mast is down for storage this winter.
Best of luck.
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sunvista
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You are on the right track. If it hangs up again....turn the boat on its side and see what's happening.
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mmiller
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Difficulty hositing the sail is typically a technique issue. I have a detailed sail hoist "FAQ" here:

http://www.hobiecat.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=371

Aside from physical problems with the sail or mast... all that is normally needed is better feeding technique at the luff opening at the bottom of the mast. Push the sail up the track and pull only the slack created with the halyard.

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hrtsailor
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I had difficulty raising the sail and realized that the main sheet had gotten cleated and wasn't allowing me to pull the sail all the way up. Make sure the sheet has slack enough get the sail up.

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CptanPanic
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sunvista wrote:
You are on the right track. If it hangs up again....turn the boat on its side and see what's happening.


I thought about this, but had no idea how to get the boat on its side safetly. How can I do this?
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I used to have trouble as well; my boat had a sailfeeder kit installed (little shiny metal thing in the track). It didn't really help anything and when I took it off, I haven't had nearly as many problems.

If your boat has one, I would recommend removing it.
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sunvista
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mikekuhl wrote:
I used to have trouble as well; my boat had a sailfeeder kit installed (little shiny metal thing in the track). It didn't really help anything and when I took it off, I haven't had nearly as many problems.

If your boat has one, I would recommend removing it.
Ditto, what he said. My sail feeder served only to rip the sail from the cord. If you have one, take it off.
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CptanPanic wrote:
but had no idea how to get the boat on its side safetly. How can I do this?
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You can't do it alone. Two people lift one hull to the boat's fulcrum (tipping) point. One person holds it steady while the other person walks to the other side to catch the mast and ease it over. I live on a beach and always tip the mast toward the shore or onto a dune. Don't tip the mast into the surf or into power lines, vehicles or other obstructions. I usually have a Roleez beach cart, ice chest or something to rest the mast on too. Then reverse the process. Walk the mast up until you can't touch it anymore and then go help your buddy catch the hull and ease it back down. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DISCONNECT OR ADJUST ANY OF THE RIGGING WHILE THE BOAT IS ON ITS SIDE!


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Just hook into the trap wire and lean out gently. Grab the mast when you can and walk it down. Then again, Im a fatty and can tip it over solo - I recall doing this manuver solo.
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mmiller wrote:
Difficulty hositing the sail is typically a technique issue. I have a detailed sail hoist "FAQ" here:

http://www.hobiecat.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=371

Aside from physical problems with the sail or mast... all that is normally needed is better feeding technique at the luff opening at the bottom of the mast. Push the sail up the track and pull only the slack created with the halyard.


Just read the FAQ.

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Hoist Technique:

Keep the batten tension to a minimum. Hoist the sail slowly, while feeding into the mast opening. When the sail gets about 3/4's of the way up, begin aggressively feeding at the bottom opening and reduce the amount of halyard effort. If the halyard is pulled tight when the sail is not being fed into and up the track, you will have problems. The sail luff will pull taunt and the curve shape will bind in the (straight) mast track. Lower the sail slightly and begin feeding again.

The best way to feed the sail is to stand in front of the mast and reach around either side to "sandwich" the sail between two hands (above the feeder opening) and push the sail up the track. Pull with the halyard, only the slack created, then feed again. If the sail binds, lower slightly and begin feeding again. This technique can be done by one person, but is certainly easier with two working together. It is VERY important that the person on the halyard only pulls the slack up the mast and does not get ahead of the feeder.



Hoisting issues are due to technique. I see guys struggle at Worlds too, so even sailors who should know how... don't always.

Yes, the feeder opening is the typical cause. You CAN NOT just pull the halyard and expect the sail to feed into the slot. That works for about 3/4 the way up, but then you have to push / pull the sail through the opening. By yanking on the halyard you just wedge the sail at the feeder.

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hobiesixteen
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i've been goofed by that also.....just in case you have trapeze wires, make sure the battons dont get hung up.....cause it happened to me b4.
just a sugestion
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tons of sailkote on the bolt rope, plus inside the mast track, then good techinque./

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Come on! I'm 5-9, 160 ( for now :) ) and I can tip my 16 by myself. Make sure that the boat is facing the wind, lift a hull , till you get to the balance point, and just walk it over by moving "up" the mast. To right it, reverse the procedure. If you're careful, you can even get a little air under the sails to help!
Another thing to watch is that you are dead in front of the mast, and far enough in front- last few inches on mine are usually easier pulling front, rather than down. Good luck- Dave
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