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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:51 pm 
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Was out looking for a PFD t'day, and ended up buying a http://www.peakuk.com/peakukkit.php?con ... &prodid=10
Dealer agreed to let me return it, if it didnt turn out to be a (seat)fit. (in a Revo)

I cant seem to find Hobie's PFD's in my area - and neither The Stohlquist Fisherman's...so i kinda felt the above would be an option.
But...sitting in my yak wearing this makes me *hmm*. It IS my first Hobie, and hence my first butt/back-experience on the Revo-mounted seats. It doesnt feel right. But am i just being picky, or does one get used to the snug fit and that it kinda doesnt fit the seat on the upper part. I kinda need to raise it quite a bit, to get a comfy position. And still, it feels like i dont get the support that i need from the Revo-seat.

It was damn expensive (at least in my part of the world) - so now i'm having second thoughts.

Dealer didn't have any "high-backs" that i could dial in as an alternative. So maybe i should twist his arm, and see if he could order a Stohlquist Fisherman?

What are you guy's wearing (in a similiar seat/yak)?

*think-think*...*arrrghhh*...need PFD - need to go fish - time is NOT an option! :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:24 pm 
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Problem for you is the PFD certification. We have vests certified for use in the US or Canada. The EU requires different certification.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:57 pm 
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mmiller wrote:
Problem for you is the PFD certification. We have vests certified for use in the US or Canada. The EU requires different certification.
Hi Matt.
Yes, ofcourse - that kinda slipped my mind. I will take the Peak back to the dealer tomorrow, and see what can be done in a high-back-way.

Still, i'm curious as to what other HoYak's :mrgreen: use, if not Hobie PFD's.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:32 pm 
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looked at Infltables?

http://www.baltic.se/categories.asp?cat_id=1&lang=eng

http://www.baltic.se/_pdf/_eng/info_inflatable.pdf


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:36 am 
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RPB wrote:

Yes - inflatables crossed my mind. And i am somehow hooked on the idea, even if it costs a Co2-refill going in the drink.
Still im leaning a bit more towards the PFD-type, when added protection and the like comes to mind.

Thanks for your link, RPB.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:50 am 
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Gio,
I would do some serious looking into what the classes of PFD's actually do for you when you are in the drink !!.....You will find that most of the Class III PFD's like the Stohlquist Fisherman which I do own , will actually do for you in a bad situation ....Lets put it this way , I now have an inflatable that will surely do a LOT more for you than most of your foam filled class III PFD's ....they are however more expensive, but then again , how much is your life worth ? ....Jim


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:07 pm 
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synthnut wrote:
Gio,
I would do some serious looking into what the classes of PFD's actually do for you when you are in the drink !!.....You will find that most of the Class III PFD's like the Stohlquist Fisherman which I do own , will actually do for you in a bad situation ....Lets put it this way , I now have an inflatable that will surely do a LOT more for you than most of your foam filled class III PFD's ....they are however more expensive, but then again , how much is your life worth ? ....Jim
Hi Jim. Don't misunderstand me here. I'm not trying to be cheap - but comfortable and secure :!:
I just thought that the Class III PFD's actually gave better security...but it sounds like that's not the case(?).
If that's so, i will definately go with an inflatable. Price isn't gonna go in the way here!

Thanks for your input :D


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:28 pm 
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from the page I posted a link to above ...

"Our inflatable lifejacket is of minimal size so that you hardly know you are wearing it. Yet, when inflated it has up to 50% more buoyancy than traditional lifejackets."

I don't know Sweden's class/rating system, but the ad sounds good.

I have 2 class 3 life jackets, I had been looking for class 1 vest, with no back, but I just got 3 FREE class 2 vests, with no back, free from a neighbor.

I stuffed the spares in the hatch for floatation or to loan to anyone who forgets theirs.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:50 pm 
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what is with all the different classes of life jackets?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:06 am 
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atavuss wrote:
what is with all the different classes of life jackets?


In the USA, the Coast Guard classifies floatation devices:

When considering a Type I, II or III - remember that, generally, the lower the number the better the performance. (A Type I is better than a Type II, which is better than a Type III.)

See http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/pfdbasics.htm

Type I; Offshore Life Jacket; for surf/choppy water; usually keeps head out of water face up; best for going BTB (Beyond the breakers, in the Ocean, or across a big 23,000 acre lake on windy/choppy days)

Type II; Near-shore Buoyant Vest; Good for calm or inland water, or where there is a good chance of fast rescue; Turns some unconscious wearers face-up in the water

Type III; Flotation Aid; (I think Class/Type III is all that's "required" for kayaking in most of the USA, unless State law differs. Class III is the most popularly type sold) Good for conscious users in inland water and where there is good chance of fast rescue.; Wearer may have to tilt head back to avoid going face down; Not for extended survival in rough water; even a concious wearer's face may often be covered by waves; All wearers need to try it in water prior to going boating

Type IV; Throwable Device

Type V; Special Use Device

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Also see U.S. Coast Guard site : http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg5214/pfdselection.asp

Texas Lifesaving Devices (PFDs)
All Personal Flotation Devices (PFDs) must be U.S. Coast Guard approved, in serviceable condition, readily accessible, and of the appropriate size for intended user.

All children under 13 years of age in motorboats under 26 feet in length must wear a U.S. Coast Guard approved PFD while underway. Underway means not at anchor, made fast to the shore, or aground.

All vessels, including canoes and kayaks, must be equipped with one Type I, II, III or V wearable PFD for each person on board. A Type V PFD is acceptable only if used in accordance with the specific instructions on the label of the device.

Vessels 16 feet and longer, excluding canoes and kayaks, are required to be equipped with one Type IV throwable PFD in addition to the Type I, II, III, or V PFD required for each person on board.

Inflatable PFDs are authorized only when used in accordance with requirements as presented on U.S. Coast Guard approval labels. Inflatable PFDs are not approved for use on personal watercraft, waterskiing, or other high speed activity.

Your State may vary, check your State's laws for what is "required," but nothing stops you from getting a "better than required" one.. Texas : http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/fishboat/bo ... e_jackets/
and http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publication ... 2000_0001/

When considering a Type I, II or III - remember that, generally, the lower the number the better the performance. (A Type I is better than a Type II, which is better than a Type III.)

Type 1 or 2 may be more bulky in front, but no back to interfere with seat back. No sides to interfere with paddling if you are in a Hobie paddle kayak. And, safer than a class 3 in chop/surf.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:18 am 
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The PEAK has been returned to the dealer - and he is looking into ordering a Stohlquist Fisherman. If not possible, or approved (CE), (or if it costs way too much) i will go for the inflatable. Re-entry will then require me to empty the vest - but thats one of the downsides one just have to live with. On a sidenote, i heard someone mention "failing inflatables" when the temperature drops below nice-and-cosy. That would be with the pill and auto-inflataion, ofcourse. I lean towards a manual, if the Stohlquist ends up a zilch.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:34 pm 
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I use a Mustang standard PFD and wear it if it's cold, windy or the weather looks agressive. For a PFD, I prefer the zip up or smooth front rather than buckles so there is less to catch on the boat if you have to remount. Like with a suit, a comfortable fit is important too IMO.

For warmer days I stay more comfortable with an inflatable. I use the manual inflation version -- haven't had to try it yet. Here the water is warmer and I don't automatically want an inflated vest if I'm in the water -- I think it's easier to remount without.

There are others here with more experience in these matters who undoubtedly have better advice. Then too, you have to consider the local circumstances (distance from shore, weather, water and air temperature, other gear you're wearing, whether you're in a group or solo, etc). 8)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:45 am 
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Problem with the PFD's i can find in stores around here, is that they dont fit the Hobie-seat. With an inflatable, that problem will be non-existing. I am aware of the added security and precautions, when going out in less-than-stellar weather - though i dont think i will be doing that too much. But the weather can sneak up on you, agree. Also, i will mainly be going out solo, as there just aren't that many yak-fishoes around here (i am yet to find a bunch or a club in my part of Sweden).
If you were to secure yourself 100% in a yak, you wouldnt be able to fish or sit comfortably. Not to mention room for tackle and stuff...so i guess we all cut some kind of corner when we go out fishing. Compromises changing, depending on what kinda fish youre going for, and what the weatherman predicts.

I just wanna go fish. Be comfortable. And as secure as i can, without ruining The Main Directive <hook-up!> :D


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:33 am 
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A quick update on the Stohlquist Fisherman PFD: This model is not available in Sweden *sigh*.
Inflatable is, apparently, the way to go.


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