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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:21 am 
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Pirate always needs an issue... we fix the pin and now... :)

We have heard this. Seems like an Adventure hull issue primarily. You would have to move your foot ahead of the lever and pull back to release. We will think about it.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:53 pm 
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Yak, what you say makes sense, when the conditions got bad so quickly, I had leaned forward to reef the sail down to about the size of a pillowcase. That's probably when my right heel made contact with the click release, allowing the drive to jam toward the port side.
BUT if this happens to you, there's no need to force it, with one hand start pushing on the top of the pedals toward the jammed side, and and with the other hand, pull the release lever toward you. I think you'll find the drive will "let go" fairly easily.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:39 pm 
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I was having the same problem with the demo AI I was using. I would lock the drive in and after a bit of pedaling/sailing the port side would be loose (and the pedals would flop to the starboard unless I put pressure towards port).
I thought for sure something was wrong with the drive or click-n-go mechanism since it always happened on the port side. The dealer checked it out and said everything looked fine, then suggested maybe I bumped the lever with my foot. I am tall so I use the #7 setting and when my feet are not on the pedals they are resting on the front wall of the cockpit. It must happen when I pull my feet backwards and up to put them on the pedals that I flip the lever. Don't know why it only happens on the port side...
Now I know to click the lever back if I feel any looseness in the drive.
Luckily I was not in heavy wind so didn't experience jamming.

This is, for me anyway, about the only disadvantage that I can see of the new click-n-go system over the old twist locks.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:33 am 
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I was a bit like you Cliffsevak with with being a bit p'd off that the new click 'n go won't retrofit into our hulls.
Now I'm feel'n a little better. Suddenly the cam-locks don't sound so bad.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:18 am 
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I don't have a problem with the twist lock system. It will wear in time, but it is no big deal to replace the knobs.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:20 am 
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Pirate wrote:
Too true Mickey. It is a weakness in the system that needs to be looked at by Hobie...Pirate

Uh-Ho........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:05 pm 
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Philip1el wrote:
Pirate wrote:
Too true Mickey. It is a weakness in the system that needs to be looked at by Hobie...Pirate

Uh-Ho........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

mmmmmm....am I reading this correct Philip?...Pirate :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:15 pm 
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mmiller wrote:
Pirate always needs an issue... we fix the pin and now... :)

We have heard this. Seems like an Adventure hull issue primarily. You would have to move your foot ahead of the lever and pull back to release. We will think about it.


:D :D Thanks Matt....You are quickly morphing a brilliant concept into a perfect concept. On the subject of the drive, it does sometimes appear to fiddly to insert and get the drive to engage in the click 'n go hardware. Maybe a technician could look at somehow improving that whilst looking at the jam situation....Pirate :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:16 pm 
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Pirate wrote:
mmiller wrote:
Pirate always needs an issue... we fix the pin and now... :)

We have heard this. Seems like an Adventure hull issue primarily. You would have to move your foot ahead of the lever and pull back to release. We will think about it.


:D :D Thanks Matt....You are quickly morphing a brilliant concept into a perfect concept. On the subject of the drive, it does sometimes appear to be fiddly to insert and get the drive to engage in the click 'n go hardware. Maybe a technician could look at somehow improving that whilst looking at the jam situation....Pirate :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:42 pm 
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With the old cam lock system, I used to accidentally unscrew the right cam with my heel, springing the Drive. With the new system the feet have more room without messing up something. So this is definitely a move up for me!

It wouldn't be too hard to pin the locking lever in the lock position or have an "L" pin drop down behind the lock lever when it locks. Of course, you'd have to pull or flip the pins to get the Drive out and be careful that they aren't in a position to gouge your feet.

But as Matt says, it's mainly an Adventure / Island issue since the drivewells are deeper in all the other boats, leaving less or no lever exposed. So this may not be worth redesigning the system for.

At least in the meantime, foot discipline is probably the best option for those having problems. One thing you can do is get in the habit of giving the Drive a side to side wiggle whenever you drop it in the well and whenever you put your feet back on the pedals. If it's not locked, you'll know it.

You know you're feeling comfortable with the system when you can unlock the Drive, lift it out, drop it back in and lock -- all with your feet! :lol:


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I intend to sail with my feet in the pedals, so they seldom get near the locks.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:14 am 
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rokraider wrote:
I intend to sail with my feet in the pedals, so they seldom get near the locks.

I think sheets sloshing around in a heavy sea can also be a culprit as well as legs rokraider as the levers don't take much force to click them either way. I did try to devise a lock-pin system Roadrunner without success to this point...Pirate :?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:58 am 
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Pirate wrote:
Philip1el wrote:
Pirate wrote:
Too true Mickey. It is a weakness in the system that needs to be looked at by Hobie...Pirate

Uh-Ho........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

mmmmmm....am I reading this correct Philip?...Pirate :wink:


I can see it coming Pirate.......steady as she goes now......we love you to bits.....but dont get started!!!! :D My click and go works a dream. Hobie actually supplied me with a new shaft for it as well but the old one works so well I havent even bothered to fit it.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:57 am 
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Yakaholic wrote:
Well, I'm sure we have Hobie's attention now - :P

I wouldn't assume that just because you got a new drive along with your click-n-go hull type that it has the correct drum shaft. The old style has completely rounded ends and the new style has beveled ends that are cut flat on the ends along with the required splines.

It does sound like kicking them loose is an issue. Reaching forward to grab the yellow furling line has my foot close to the latch. Which is when a accidentally kicked the starboard latch open.

Perhaps a simple fix is to design a rubber cap that fits over the lever, effectively protecting it from accidental release. Another thought is to add a thumb release pin on each of the latches to prevent accidental un-latching.

It sure is very convenient the way it works now. So far I have not suffered from a jammed drive.


Thanks Yak. I checked my mirage drive shaft and established it is the new bevelled edge type....Pirate

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:21 pm 
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Roadrunner wrote:
It wouldn't be too hard to pin the locking lever in the lock position or have an "L" pin drop down behind the lock lever when it locks. Of course, you'd have to pull or flip the pins to get the Drive out and be careful that they aren't in a position to gouge your feet.
I've been giving this some more thought and have a couple of possible solutions.

First, the strongest -- perhaps we should call it the "Twist N Lock". :wink: This essentially blocks the locking lever from retracting by use of a stainless 1/4" x 20 cap screw. (Coincidentally, the very size and style that Hobie uses to secure the C & G units). This requires the permanent removal of the main Click N Go nylon cover to operate from the outboard side.

Here's a view of the cap screw in the lock position:
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This shows the screw retracted, allowing the C & G to operate normally:
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Simply give a quick twist to block the locking lever from retracting and reverse the process to free the lever. BTW, this lock works with any drumshaft, splined or not.

Tips:
1) Nick the last thread or two to prevent the cap screw from backing out too far and falling out. This stops it flush with the lever.

2) Use a little Teflon tape to operate smoothly without rattling or unwanted movement.

3) No need to drill your hole too close to the frame, or your cap screw may not clear the frame when contact is made against the drumshaft. But if you accidentally do, a small notch in the frame will correct it.

Disadvantage: The Nylon covers serve mainly a cosmetic purpose for most users, but they also limit the possibility of drumshaft drift. If you're one of the rare users who are talented enough to walk your drumshaft sideways like this:
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you'd have to find another location. You may be able to mount the cap screw on the inboard side but access is limited and operation is awkward. After looking at all the options, the location chosen gives the quickest and easiest access. So far I've had no problems with the drumshafts with over 30 miles of pedaling and 3 different Drives, and no issues with the Nylon cover removed. Nevertheless it should be recognized as a possibility, especially with an older, well used Drive under the right circumstances.

For some, a second option may be more appealing. This was my first version and worked fine as well, though not as foolproof or neat. It has the advantage of not having to permanently remove the Nylon cover. In this version, a small hole is drilled through the top of the locking lever and nylon handle, and a stainless (or copper in this case) wire is used as shown here to make an eyelet for a hook and lanyard arrangement:
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This is secured to the small built-in cleat at the front of the cockpit using a short piece of Spectra. Even under tension, the hook is quickly latched or released. The line poses no interference with your feet and may be stowed as shown here:
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Caution: The over-center spring sweeps across the surface of the locking lever in its normal function. Be sure to drill your hole so that any wire passed through remains clear of the spring action. I drilled in the upper forward corner as illustrated by the purple dot (forgot to take a picture before closing up). This picture shows the proper spring position for the locking lever in the retract position:
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There is a third option. This is the easiest and quickest, but also the weakest and most unreliable. It consists of drilling 2 holes in the nylon lever cap. The caution above applies.
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I found this slower to connect and release with more difficulty maintaining tension. I could move the lever enough with my heel to release the Drive. It could be improved but still puts all the strain on the nylon handles which they are not designed for.

The cap screw method does require the use of a tap and die set, but is reasonably simple to construct. IMO, it is by far the best solution of those mentioned here for anyone who needs to lock the Click N Go. 8)

P.S. The factory uses Loctite "Blue" thread locker to secure the Click N Go units. If you are removing them for any reason, it is essential that you use a thread locker on reassembly. They are removed with a 3/16 Allenhead wrench.


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